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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #855 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 5:49am

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 4:52pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Out of curiosty I looked back to the OP and find that the comment there has nothing to do with the question asked in the topic heading. Obviously the originator of this post just wanted to vent his spleen.

So, back to basics - do you believe that Jesus Christ existed? From your answer I can continue.

Who are you talking to?

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Anyone who thinks that I am. Just as usual when a comment is posted?

Usually when a question is asked there is a quote from the person being addressed.

No i do not believe there is a jesus or even ever was a jesus. It is possible there was someone named jesus @ some point but he wasnt a god. IMO he was a fictional character though. Just my opinion.

I also dont believe in fairies or leprechauns or gods.

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So straight away you don't believe what secular historians have written. So your "belief" colours everything.

What?

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Are you acting ignorant - or the real thing?

You arent making any sense. What "belief"? What "secular historians"?

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I can see that you are not up to debating the topic. Just nit picking. So I will leave you to your nits. Bye!!

You make random comments about things that werent discussed then say i dont want to debate when i ask what you are talking about? Obviously you dont want to "debate" hahahaha.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #856 - Jan 28^th, 2013 at 5:50am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 4:52pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

damien wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Out of curiosty I looked back to the OP and find that the comment there has nothing to do with the question asked in the topic heading. Obviously the originator of this post just wanted to vent his spleen.

So, back to basics - do you believe that Jesus Christ existed? From your answer I can continue.

Who are you talking to?

SOB

Anyone who thinks that I am. Just as usual when a comment is posted?

Usually when a question is asked there is a quote from the person being addressed.

No i do not believe there is a jesus or even ever was a jesus. It is possible there was someone named jesus @ some point but he wasnt a god. IMO he was a fictional character though. Just my opinion.

I also dont believe in fairies or leprechauns or gods.

SOB

So straight away you don't believe what secular historians have written. So your "belief" colours everything.

What?

SOB

Are you acting ignorant - or the real thing?

You arent making any sense. What "belief"? What "secular historians"?

SOB

I can see that you are not up to debating the topic. Just nit picking. So I will leave you to your nits. Bye!!

did you go to the house of holey today and pay to get your weekly dose of bullshit ?

I wonder if he thinks the brothers grimm are secular historians?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #857 - Jan 30^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 5:42am:

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Er... largish fallacy there, I'm afraid. The observer cannot observe himself without some part of him remaining unobserved - namely the part that is doing the observing.

Well then you are one part of the universe looking at another part.

We are still - each and every one of us - the universe perceiving itself.

That is your spiritual message for today.

This message continues for all of human time.

namaste

Er.. who perceives the perceiver?
I am looking at the universe and perceive it. Who is looking at me? Who is perceiving me, the observer of the universe?

The universe? Which is then a different thing from m, the observer.

Who then perceives these two, the universe looking at me, and me looking at the universe?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #858 - Jan 30^th, 2013 at 8:51pm

What does it mean???

For Christians, I imagine it is to uphold the laws of God, as laid down by himself incarnate in Jesus.. necessary seeing as his earliest followers, ignored the rules He originally set, quite merrily and bloodily, laid down as Commandments, .... heaps of 'm.. !! so He had another go, and Himself, as Jesus, had lots more luck the second time around. So successful, that they still try to uphold , and spread them, to this very day.!!

For non-Christians.... ?? manage Christians as best as possible.

Interestingly, since I switched Browsers.... I now get the red squiggly line when you have miss-spelled something.... and it seems non-christian is considered incorrect but non-Christian spot on.

My BROWSER is a christian construct...!!!!!!!!

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #860 - Jan 30^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

Emma wrote on Jan 30^th, 2013 at 8:54pm:

Who then perceives these two, the universe looking at me, and me looking at the universe?

?????
ANSWER:

No One and No Thing...... it is all in your head.

Great answer, Jacky!
Every time you don't understand something, just say... It's all in your head!!!

Easy!!

Next week, we will learn how to build a nuclear reactor, achieve world peace and all the while play the flute!

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #861 - Jan 30^th, 2013 at 9:31pm Umm I don't recall using that one recently... yeah yeah the cat in the box-- I get it.. poor answer Sore-arse.
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #862 - Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:12am

Emma wrote on Jan 30^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

What does it mean???

For Christians, I imagine it is to uphold the laws of God, as laid down by himself incarnate in Jesus.. necessary seeing as his earliest followers, ignored the rules He originally set, quite merrily and bloodily, laid down as Commandments, .... heaps of 'm.. !! so He had another go, and Himself, as Jesus, had lots more luck the second time around. So successful, that they still try to uphold , and spread them, to this very day.!!

For non-Christians.... ?? manage Christians as best as possible.

Interestingly, since I switched Browsers.... I now get the red squiggly line when you have miss-spelled something.... and it seems non-christian is considered incorrect but non-Christian spot on.

My BROWSER is a christian construct...!!!!!!!!

If its firefox it does the same thing with muslim and hindu etc. Its the worse spell checker i have ever seen. I had a word processing program with a spell checker in it on a 5.25 floppy back in 1989 that was better. It was called "first choice".

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #863 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

Emma wrote on Jan 30^th, 2013 at 9:31pm:

Umm I don't recall using that one recently...

yeah yeah the cat in the box-- I get it..

poor answer Sore-arse. Wink

You do not get it. It's not about the uncertainty principle (cat in the box - not that you'd get that).

It is about the observer being (subject) unable to encompass himself (object) completely. There will always be a bit of the unobserved observer left over.

Try it. Look into the mirror or look into your heart. You will not see yourself completely, in either sense.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #864 - Feb 4^th, 2013 at 10:06pm

Oh I've looked in the mirror....

so what you are really saying is that we always have a piece of ourselves, our essence, apart from our reality. A piece we don't consciously recognise....
most/all of the time.

There is a name for that,..people like to name all sorts of ideas.... our brains being as complex, as multi-plex as they are, I'd say I agree with you entirely..
I do get in touch occasionally with that part of me... but it IS just a touch.... rather hard to fathom actually,..

..as it not doubt ought to be..

I just don't see what that has to do with Christianity.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #865 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 4:49am

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 5:42am:

Soren,
Quote:

Er... largish fallacy there, I'm afraid. The observer cannot observe himself without some part of him remaining unobserved - namely the part that is doing the observing.

Well then you are one part of the universe looking at another part.

We are still - each and every one of us - the universe perceiving itself.

That is your spiritual message for today.

This message continues for all of human time.

namaste

Er.. who perceives the perceiver?
I am looking at the universe and perceive it. Who is looking at me? Who is perceiving me, the observer of the universe?

The universe? Which is then a different thing from m, the observer.

Who then perceives these two, the universe looking at me, and me looking at the universe?

Nobody

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #866 - Feb 5^th, 2013 at 5:38am

Emma wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Oh I've looked in the mirror....

so what you are really saying is that we always have a piece of ourselves, our essence, apart from our reality. A piece we don't consciously recognise....
most/all of the time.

There is a name for that,..people like to name all sorts of ideas.... our brains being as complex, as multi-plex as they are, I'd say I agree with you entirely..
I do get in touch occasionally with that part of me... but it IS just a touch.... rather hard to fathom actually,..

..as it not doubt ought to be..

I just don't see what that has to do with Christianity.

Someone said that we are just one part of the universe looking at ourselves - but since we can never look at ourselves without some of our observing part remaining itself unobserved, that's a crude explanation as far as rejecting Christianity is.
What I said is not a proof of Christianity, only a proof that we are not 'just' one bit of universe looking at itself.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #867 - Feb 8^th, 2013 at 10:09pm

Someone said that we are just one part of the universe looking at ourselves - but since we can never look at ourselves without some of our observing part remaining itself unobserved, that's a crude explanation as far as rejecting Christianity is. What I said is not a proof of Christianity, only a proof that we are not 'just' one bit of universe looking at itself.

Hmm..I don't quite understand what you mean..?
I don't see how Christianity fits into this observed-observer universe.

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