it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 21^st, 2013 at 7:43pm:



Dear master Light,

I would prefer to think that we are the conscious eyes of the universe, gazing upon itself -
in the thoughts of Carl Sagan or words to that effect.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 21^st, 2013 at 8:02pm:



And so it is master Light,

Carl Sagan,

Quote:




I like his work:

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10538.Carl_Sagan


Carl Sagan has given people some genuine spirituality -
it didn't have to come from an old book full of contradictions - the Bible.

Semantics. As usual. Its the only way any kind of religious nonsense can "win" any argument or discussion. And they always want to "win".

SOB

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 5:42am:


Well, we want to understand ourselves, not just other parts of the universe.
And when we look at each other, we want to understand how it is possible for someone else to be both like us and to be unlike us.
The self-reflecting mirror is a fallacy. It ignores the heart of the question: how is it that we can reflect on what and who we are?

The is only one who can be called The Light!

christianity (like buddhism0 is full of paradoxes.

as is this thread.

its rather paradoxical that a thread about what it means to be a christian is turned into the gospel of spot, bobby,pansi and nail.

all are hardly great christian theologans (though bobby at least has done some research)

you cant judge christianity by christians any more than you could judge unions by thommo and kathy jackson.
people are failures and this is a human failing.

also you simply have to get away from the idea that god is some sort of cop or film director who runs things or is going to call you in for questioing upon your death.

people who believe that are paradoxicly misunderstanding.

jesus spoke in very mystical terms about god.

he used terms like 
god is the way
god is the light
god is the truth
god is eternal water.
god will quench eternal thirst.

none of these suggest god as anything other then a force

if you believe, say that god is truth, then study of science or physics or climate change is godly work.
if you believe god is the way, then you believe very similar to the buddhist belief in "a path"

jesus story is a story of human suffering.
and the buddhas first "realization" was that life is suffering.

so if christianity helps one "carry ones cross" so to speak, this will help one on ones path.

the idea that christians would pray for "something" is again incorrect.

a true christian would never pray for anything for themselves.

like the famous flawed catholic JFK, they would ask god what i can do for you , not what you can do for me.

you can tease and go on about fairy kings all you like.

you could also say the world football codes are nothing but hitting a bit of leather backwards and forwards and are a total fing joke. 
but if people get joy, peace, happiness and togetherness out of cheering for a soccer team,  does it really matter if the actual core is somewhat silly.

the 4 gospel writers, borg, pans, bat and nail  need to examine facts such as these and see if they are not just being knockers and spoilt sports

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 6:24am:


Except that xtians usually believe jesus is the actual physical son of a god.

SOB