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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #675 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

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So some atheists believe (as you worded above) yet don't have a belief? DUH!!

Why cant you understand it? Some atheists believe there isnt a god (thats a belief) and some atheists just dont believe that there is a god (not a belief).

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Reply #676 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 3:20pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

But they would all agree about you!!
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Reply #677 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

Soren wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

But they would all agree about you!!
Grin

Aha, doesn't take long for someone like you to start to make nasty remarks. It seems it always is a trait with those who cannot conduct a debate and are usually bully boys. And usually bully boys are just little boys!

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #678 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:21pm This website might shine some light on what atheists are all about. If you don't like that one, there are plenty of others. http://www.atheists.org/
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #679 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:26pm It's OK to be agnostic/atheist, just not to make an issue of it. Those who make an issue of it are invariably leftist arsewipes.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 149491 Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #680 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:32pm ... wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:26pm: It's OK to be agnostic/atheist, just not to make an issue of it. Those who make an issue of it are invariably leftist arsewipes. Kinda like Vegans, I guess. How do you know if someone's a Vegan? They'll tell you!
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #681 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #682 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:50pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

SOB,
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the religions are the same but most of the xtians are hypocrites and dont really believe it anymore. in fact most muslims dont either. Its just a cultural thing rather than religion with the extremists.

Hi Spot,
A truer statement has never been made.
People pretend to believe in religion because they are afraid of death.
It gives their life some purpose but deep down they know it's all fairy tales.

But aren't atheists afraid of death as well? Even more so, in my opinion. What is the modern fascination with looking perpetually youthful than being scared of old age and death? What is the growth and use of the latest medical science other than to prolong life and stave off death? What is the modern disposition of being 'offended' at every turn other than to live a safe, quiet, comfortable life free of danger and death? What is the rise in the use of anti-depression medication other than to stave off feelings of hopelessness and meaninglessness in a post-god world?

For every technological and scientific advance that has been made in the atheist age, many people are still often depressed and angst-ridden.

Atheists are afraid of death too but they don't want an imaginary friend
who makes false promises of ever lasting life to make them feel better.

Think about - who'd want to spend the next trillion years playing a harp on top of a cloud?
Wouldn't it get boring? Grin

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #683 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:49pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

Nope. Lack of belief. Do you believe there are no fairies in your garden or do you simply not believe they are there? Or do you believe they are there?

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #684 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:09pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

Exactly what I have been trying to get through to some. If you believe in something, just as was stated above, it is then a belief.
Gee, it's not that hard!!

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #685 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

Nope. Lack of belief. Do you believe there are no fairies in your garden or do you simply not believe they are there? Or do you believe they are there?

SOB

I believe there are no fairies in my garden.

I know there are no fairies in my garden.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #686 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:12pm

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

But they would all agree about you!!
Grin

Aha, doesn't take long for someone like you to start to make nasty remarks. It seems it always is a trait with those who cannot conduct a debate and are usually bully boys. And usually bully boys are just little boys!

Very valuable point, Charlie Brown.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #687 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

Nope. Lack of belief. Do you believe there are no fairies in your garden or do you simply not believe they are there? Or do you believe they are there?

SOB

This is waaaay over your soft head, Nicola.

Lack of belief = having no notion. That's the kinda gal you are.
Not believing = having considered a set of notions (NB!!!! Notions have been considered!) and rejecting a particular attitute towards them, that is, an attitude of taking them to be meaningful.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #689 - Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

damien wrote on Jan 17^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Atheists believe that there is no God. So that in itself is a belief.
Of course atheists will deny that, but it's just plain common sense!
Cheesy

Nope. Some atheists believe there is no diety and some just dont have a belief in a deity.

SOB

any way you cut it. it is still a belief.

Nope. Lack of belief. Do you believe there are no fairies in your garden or do you simply not believe they are there? Or do you believe they are there?

SOB

I believe there are no fairies in my garden.

I know there are no fairies in my garden.

given the possibilityt of multiverses and even overlapping/folded space you KNOW no such thing. You just have a belief that is credible. nothing more.

and in this lesson, we learn that 'proof' is realive. absolute proof cannot byt definition, exist.

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