gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:


I'm not sure what offer you are referring to, but if it was made, it was in direct conflict with the Balfour declaration. But this was typical of the British rule - making conflicting commitments to both sides, and double crossing each at every step. Ultimately, the British were only interested in maintaining their sphere of influence and offsetting the ambitions of the other imperial European powers. In most cases this went against Palestinian nationalist aspirations. Britain offered "autonomy" in some instances - but only to leaders that had been bought out to British interests, who they could be sure would be reliable puppets.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:


no it didn't:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Is that what you refer to as the "offer" the British gave for Palestinian statehood?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:


I assume you are talking about the UN partition plan, but this is something quite different to what we were talking about, and it certainly wasn't offered by the British.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 25^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:


Kemal Ataturk was the last man with the head job in Islam, he held the highest position in Islam and he dismantled the muslim Ottoman empire telling the men to shave their beards and Turkey gave up on Islamic rule as it was holding them back Ataturk embraced that unIslamic concept called democracy.
The last man who had the top job in Islam abandoned Islamic rule for democracy yet muslims today ignore his message.

When Ataturk dismantled the muslim Ottoman empire sharia law went the way of that fad in the 1980"s called colonic irrigation.

Tel Aviv was founded as a Hebrew speaking city in 1909 so its fair to say there were a considerable amount of Palestinian Yahud at that time.

You are very quiet about the Jews that were kicked out of their Arab homelands Abu, are we to believe you think it is ok for an Arab muslim to evict a Jew from their homeland yet it is not ok for a filthy yahud to evict a muslim from their home?

The Jews that were booted out of their homelands by muslim Arabs had to go somewhere that could explain why these jewish refugees from muslim lands ended up in Israel.

If the Arabs didnt boot the jews from their homelands there might not be as many jews in Israel today did you ever consider that fact?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:


And I'll give you a hint FD - I don't give a flying fluck what Abu says in this respect, and I'm certainly not interested in engaging in one line point scoring. You see unlike you I'm actually interested in constructively discussing this issue. I've given you a reasoned and (what surely constitutes) a well thought out analysis, and frankly I'm tired of you responding to me with childish one liners - mostly related to your pathetic pissing contest with Abu.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:


What? The Balfour declaration was in 1917, the UN partition plan was in 1947. They are worlds apart. The BD took place before the massive jewish immigration into Palestine, while the UN plan recognised the massive change in the demographic and political realities - both in terms of the huge shift in jewish influence, as well as an acknowledgement that Palestinian nationalism could no longer be ignored (like it could at the time of the BD). BD was a casual British thought bubble about what might happen many decades in the future. The UN plan was an urgent attempt to deal with the reality on the ground.

The two plans couldn't be more different.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:


Ironically, according to the link Abu gave as evidence to back up his own argument, the biggest contributor to Jewish immigration into Israel was their forced eviction from Arab Muslim countries. I wonder what he intends with these Jews when he insists they be sent back home?

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It is not a one line point scoring thing. It is an accusation that Abu levels against Iraeli Jews over and over again in spite of the obvious facts and our many attempts to correct him. Why do you so begrudge my efforts to correct his anti semitic propaganda? It is an entire thread devoted to the subject, not one line. If you don't think it is important, you don't have to respond. It's not like we are short on threads about the Israel/Palestine conflict - they don't all have to be about you.

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:


Probably because you do it by recycling the same tired old islamophobic propaganda. Answering bigotry with bigotry is less than constructive.

I have tried to give you the context of the conflict and why the arab nations have been at war with Israel, but you continue with the tired "muslims just attempted their own holocaust" - because after all, don't all muslims want to slaughter jews just for the hell of it?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 11:33am:


I'm pretty sure I've been through this before, and furthermore I'm almost certain I was answering you.

Islamophobia is real, it is understood, and it is has been demonstrated and documented. It is a type of racism, but as you correctly point out,  islam is not a "race", so therefore it is more commonly referred to as islamophobia. Even so, the cognitive processes that lead to both are basically the same. Persecuting a woman because they wear an islamic hijab is no different to persecuting someone because they have dark coloured skin.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 11:33am:


The correct term is "anti-semitic" - and it is levelled against muslims and anyone who dare criticise Israel all the time. Of course technically, to describe an anti-semite as someone who hates jews is wrong since semite refers to a linguistic group (incorporating hebrew speakers as well as a bunch of others including arabic). But who cares? English is full of incorrectly defined words, it doesn't matter. We all know what it means - anti-semitic means anti jew, just as islamophobic means anti muslim.