Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:


Thats correct - which is why islamophobia has nothing to do with criticising the actual teachings of islam. In fact most islamophobes know almost nothing about those teachings. Like I said islamophobia follows the same patterns as regular racism - it is almost entirely about persecuting and discriminating muslims because they exhibit the visual identifiers of islam. Which is why almost all islamophobia is directed at women who wear a headscarf - the headscarf is the thing that non-muslims most closesly associate with islam. Also most muslims are still non-white, so there is a definite element of your classic racism.

In short, islamophobes target muslims not because they are muslim per se, but because they look muslim.

Here's freediver totally not engaging in any sort of anti-islamic bigotry (see how I took out that pesky word "islamophobia" - just so you don't get distracted):

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:


freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:


freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:


So are about 1000 other English words - like anti-semitism. It doesn't matter what the original meaning is, what matters is how we perceive the word now. anti-semitism is the word we use for anti-jewish bigotry, and islamophobia is the word we use for anti-muslim bigotry. I really don't see whats so hard about that.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:


Gandalf, I notice you had to take those quotes out of context so it was impossible to tell whether I was actually stereotyping or referring to a specific example. Try again.

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Abu it was you who brought Australia into the argument. My point was that it was not a valid comparison.

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Funny how you always refuse to answer the simplest questions and demand I answer your silly ones first. You still have not explained whether your complaints about "illegal mass immigration" of Jews into Israel is a reference to Jews fleeing the holocaust. At the very least you should concede you were wrong about the topic of this thread before making demands of other people. Your little fantasies have nothing at all to do with the reality.

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So if you provide a link and a lengthy quote in response to a demand for evidence, we should automatically assume you have left the relevant bits out of the actual quote and that if we might be able to find it only if we read the whole link? That's a bit silly don't you think Abu?

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Apart from a small minority of Jews fleeing the gas chambers, and perhaps the million or so that got expelled from nearby Arab Muslim countries after the formation of Israel, the immigration of jews into Israel was legal. They did not "mass illegally immigrate" then turn violent. The violence only started after the Palestinians attempted their own holocaust.

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You have posted some facts, and some absurd spin that is completely contradicted by the facts. The quotes of yours in the opening posts are certainly not facts and have nothing at all to do with the history.

You didn't answer one single point fd. Want to try and respond to that post again?

apparently, according to freediver, the entire muslim world revolves around Abu.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:


no, any sort of evidence to back up you baseless claims would do. You can start by providing evidence to support your claim that Muhammad made it his mission in life to slaughter non-muslims.