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Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank
Nov 20^th, 2012 at 3:13am

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THE World Bank has warned the planet is on track to warm by 4 degrees this century, leading to more extreme heat waves, lower crop yields and increased flooding, possibly as early as 2060.

In a report released in the lead-up to the year-end United Nations climate summit in Qatar, the bank says 4 degrees' warming would have devastating effects across the globe, and the poor would be most vulnerable.

The bank tied the future wealth of the planet to immediate efforts to cut emissions from sources such as energy production.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/catastrophic-warming-...

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26594 Australia	Re: Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank Reply #1 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:07am Yeah well the reef wont handle it either so thats bad news for everyone not just poor ppl. SOB
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank Reply #2 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:09pm 4 degrees is unthinkable....
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Reply #3 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:12pm

MOTR wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

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THE World Bank has warned the planet is on track to warm by 4 degrees this century, leading to more extreme heat waves, lower crop yields and increased flooding, possibly as early as 2060.

In a report released in the lead-up to the year-end United Nations climate summit in Qatar, the bank says 4 degrees' warming would have devastating effects across the globe, and the poor would be most vulnerable.

The bank tied the future wealth of the planet to immediate efforts to cut emissions from sources such as energy production.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/catastrophic-warming-...

So the world bank has branched out into climate science now?????

I'd have suggested they stick to banking, at least until they can do that right.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:23pm lol love it. the world bank now holds scientists in its vaults. Dam..... the idiots that lap this stuff up.
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Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:00pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:23pm:

lol love it. the world bank now holds scientists in its vaults.

Dam..... Cheesy

the idiots that lap this stuff up.

Your naivety is breathtaking, progs. Professionals use the advice of experts. Armchair scientists outsource their thinking to shills and charlatans.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank Reply #7 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:03pm JC Denton wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm: http://i47.tinypic.com/2j5mlj9.png we'd be halfway to solving our energy problems if we could harvest the wind between your ears.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62347 Here Gender:	Re: Catastrophic warming to hit poor, says World Bank Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:35pm 4 Deg is probably already locked in, what we are currently doing is trying to moderate the following increases.
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Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:08pm

... wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:12pm:

MOTR wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

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THE World Bank has warned the planet is on track to warm by 4 degrees this century, leading to more extreme heat waves, lower crop yields and increased flooding, possibly as early as 2060.

In a report released in the lead-up to the year-end United Nations climate summit in Qatar, the bank says 4 degrees' warming would have devastating effects across the globe, and the poor would be most vulnerable.

The bank tied the future wealth of the planet to immediate efforts to cut emissions from sources such as energy production.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/catastrophic-warming-...

So the world bank has branched out into climate science now?????

I'd have suggested they stick to banking, at least until they can do that right.

Well, in recent years, the IMF's record on Economic "fixes" is batting about zero.

So perhaps, they are trying to improve their batting average , by going into something that they know even less about, like Climate Change?

Perhaps strangely or just coincidentally, they may boost their batting average, because Climate Change is certain to be one of the major Economic influences/drivers over the next 50-100 years.

That said, the leading edge of change is already here, now!

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Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:31pm

World Bank: Climate change could cause massive damage

"This report is non-science," says climatologist Patrick Michaels, director of the libertarian Cato Institute's Center for the Study of Science. He says the 4-degree warming is an "implausible outlier."

David Kreutzer, an energy economist at the conservative Heritage Foundation, agrees. He also says the World Bank's recommendations, including redirecting money now spent on fossil-fuel subsidies toward solar and wind energy production, could ultimately do more harm than good for developing countries.

"Proposing energy killing climate policies for the emerging economies is like telling the emaciated to start their diet now because they may become overweight in 90 years," Kretuzer says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/19/world-bank-warns-climate-ch...

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Reply #11 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:53pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:31pm:

World Bank: Climate change could cause massive damage

"This report is non-science," says climatologist Patrick Michaels, director of the libertarian Cato Institute's Center for the Study of Science. He says the 4-degree warming is an "implausible outlier."

David Kreutzer, an energy economist at the conservative Heritage Foundation, agrees. He also says the World Bank's recommendations, including redirecting money now spent on fossil-fuel subsidies toward solar and wind energy production, could ultimately do more harm than good for developing countries.

"Proposing energy killing climate policies for the emerging economies is like telling the emaciated to start their diet now because they may become overweight in 90 years," Kretuzer says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/19/world-bank-warns-climate-ch...

Yet the World Bank's call to action echoes the urgency of other major studies. Earlier this month, at the request of the CIA,
a report by the National Research Council warned that climate change is accelerating
and could place unprecedented strains on U.S. military and intelligence agencies. Also this month, the International Energy Agency said the world has only about five years to make changes to avert climate change's most severe impacts.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/19/world-bank-warns-climate-ch...
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Interesting & from the same article, Progs.

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Reply #12 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:31am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:31pm:

World Bank: Climate change could cause massive damage

"This report is non-science," says climatologist Patrick Michaels, director of the libertarian Cato Institute's Center for the Study of Science. He says the 4-degree warming is an "implausible outlier."

David Kreutzer, an energy economist at the conservative Heritage Foundation, agrees. He also says the World Bank's recommendations, including redirecting money now spent on fossil-fuel subsidies toward solar and wind energy production, could ultimately do more harm than good for developing countries.

"Proposing energy killing climate policies for the emerging economies is like telling the emaciated to start their diet now because they may become overweight in 90 years," Kretuzer says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/19/world-bank-warns-climate-ch...

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According to a January 2007 report by the Union of Concerned Scientists titled "Smoke, Mirrors and Hot Air: how ExxonMobil uses big tobacco to manufacture uncertainty on climate science," Michaels is connected to more than 11 think-tanks and associations that have received money from ExxonMobil, many of which have gone on to sow doubt about human-induced global warming.

Michaels has also admitted that "40 percent" of his funding comes from the oil industry.

http://www.desmogblog.com/patrick-michaels

Meet Patrick Michaels, climatologist and well known shill for the fossil fuel industry.

See how he fares against one of the world's pre-eminent climatologists.

Michaels represents a minority view amongst climate scientists. He is one of the 3% of climate scientists who command 72% of the media coverage in the US.

Don't be a mushroom.

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Reply #13 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 4:28pm

FOR BETTER OR WORSE I HEREBY ANNOUNCE MY SKEPTICISM/SHOCK/PROBABLE DISBELIEF AT A 4 DEGREES POSSIBLE WARMING BY THE YEAR 2100!

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Reply #14 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:55pm

MOTR wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:31am:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/97_Climate_Experts_500.jpg

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"I wonder just how many politicians, environmentalists or scientists who use the phrase ’97% of scientists’ (or those who more carefully use ‘active climate scientists’) to give weight to their arguments regarding climate change to the public, have any idea of the actual source of this soundbite.

"Perhaps a few may say the ’Doran Survey’, which is the one of the most common references for this ’97% of active climate scientists’ phrase. In fact, the Doran EoS paper merely cites a MSc thesis for the actual source of this 97% figure and the actual survey.

“This was a very simplistic and biased questionnaire.”

"In a world where politicians (UK) went to war in Iraq based on a ‘sexed’ up dodgy dossier plagiarised from a 12 year old PhD thesis. I wonder how confident they would be lecturing the public about the need for radical decarbonising economic climate polices, if they were aware that the ’97% of active climate scientists’ quote/soundbite actually comes from a students MSc thesis, that the Doran EoS paper cites?

"Here are but just a few of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey, taken from the appendi of the MSc thesis:

“..scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides..”

“..The “hockey stick” graph that the IPCC so touted has, it is my understanding, been debunked as junk science..”

“..I’m not sure what you are trying to prove, but you will undoubtably be able to prove your pre-existing opinion with this survey! I’m sorry I even started it!..” (Doran/Zimmerman feedback)

"I wonder just how many politicians or environmentalists (or scientists) that have used the phrase ’97% of climate scientists, have actually read the original source of the cited survey.

“Climate is a very complex system with many variables including sun radiation cycles, ocean temperature, and possibly other factors that we are not even aware of.

"There are studies and data out there that are being overlooked by the IPCC. Ultimately, maybe we are the biggest cause or maybe we are not, but the current push of saying that human activity is the cause is interfering with an unbiased and scientific evaluation.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

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