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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2? Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ? I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #1 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Nope, the storm was caused by reality...not myth..

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Reply #2 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

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Reply #3 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

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Reply #4 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:43am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

LOL, nice proof. Grin

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Reply #5 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:44am

Here something funny...

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/6133/megastorm-sandy-injects-climate-us-presidential-vote

But Republican challenger Mitt Romney maintained his silence on the subject when speaking of Sandy's victims – even after a heckler pressed him on the subject during a rally in Virginia.

"What about climate? What about climate? That's what caused this monster storm," the man shouted, brandishing a sign reading “End Climate Silence”.

He was immediately booed by the crowd, who ejected him to chants of "USA! USA!"

I guess the answer to climate change is high level patiotism.

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Reply #6 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:47am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Of course not - nothing else has why would that? New orleans was a pretty big sign wasnt it.

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #7 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:47am

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

LOL, nice proof. Grin

What more do you want. Its pretty simple.
co2 is a green house gas. True.
We have released stored co2 (coal) for the last 100 years. True.
Nature is not re-storing that co2. True.
Co2 is therefore in the atmosphere. True.
Sea temperatures are warming because of co2. True.
Ice sheets are melting. True.
Northern waters are warming because of lack of ice sheets. True.
Hurricane intensity is directly linked to sea temperatures. True.

Its not rocket science.

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #8 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:48am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Of course not - nothing else has why would that? New orleans was a pretty big sign wasnt it.

SOB

The difference is, New York has far more influential people in it than New orleans.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2? Reply #9 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:48am Not likely when co2 had nothing to do with sandy.
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #10 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:50am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

There wasnt much in heat content in the ocean that wasnt of normal levels.

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Reply #11 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:53am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Here something funny...

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/6133/megastorm-sandy-injects-climate-us-presidential-vote

But Republican challenger Mitt Romney maintained his silence on the subject when speaking of Sandy's victims – even after a heckler pressed him on the subject during a rally in Virginia.

"What about climate? What about climate? That's what caused this monster storm," the man shouted, brandishing a sign reading “End Climate Silence”.

He was immediately booed by the crowd, who ejected him to chants of "USA! USA!"

I guess the answer to climate change is high level patiotism.

Still no proof then?
Wikip has a list of major storms to hit New Jersey.

There's about 100 odd of varying degrees of intensity gong back to 1800.

Care to tell us if any of these were caused by C02?

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #12 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:54am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

There wasnt much in heat content in the ocean that wasnt of normal levels.

Except for 3 or 4 degrees above average. Roll Eyes

Anyway, when you look at the damage seen on those beach front houses on staten island, it not hard to understand why Tim Flannery made sure when he brought coastal land that it was well above 10m above sea level (ie a point, not a beach).

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #13 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:55am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

LOL, nice proof. Grin

What more do you want. Its pretty simple.
co2 is a green house gas. True.
We have released stored co2 (coal) for the last 100 years. True.
Nature is not re-storing that co2. True.
Co2 is therefore in the atmosphere. True.
Sea temperatures are warming because of co2. True.
Ice sheets are melting. True.
Northern waters are warming because of lack of ice sheets. True.
Hurricane intensity is directly linked to sea temperatures. True.

Its not rocket science.

What more do you want. Its pretty simple.
co2 is a green house gas. True.
We have released stored co2 (coal) for the last 100 years. True.
Nature is not re-storing that co2.

Maybe

.
Co2 is therefore in the atmosphere. True.
Sea temperatures are warming because of co2.

Maybe

.
Ice sheets are melting. True.
Northern waters are warming because of lack of ice sheets. True.
Hurricane intensity is directly linked to sea temperatures.

Unproven

.

Its not rocket science.

No it's' climate science'

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #14 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:59am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

LOL, nice proof. Grin

What more do you want. Its pretty simple.
co2 is a green house gas. True.
We have released stored co2 (coal) for the last 100 years. True.
Nature is not re-storing that co2. True.
Co2 is therefore in the atmosphere. True.
Sea temperatures are warming because of co2. True.
Ice sheets are melting. True.
Northern waters are warming because of lack of ice sheets. True.
Hurricane intensity is directly linked to sea temperatures. True.

Its not rocket science.

What more do you want. Its pretty simple.
co2 is a green house gas. True.
We have released stored co2 (coal) for the last 100 years. True.
Nature is not re-storing that co2.

Maybe

.
Co2 is therefore in the atmosphere. True.
Sea temperatures are warming because of co2.

Maybe

.
Ice sheets are melting. True.
Northern waters are warming because of lack of ice sheets. True.
Hurricane intensity is directly linked to sea temperatures.

Unproven

.

Its not rocket science.

No it's' climate science'

Ok, tell us where Nature is storing the co2 then. Take your own life as an example. You are pumping out about 20 tonnes a year. Over say the last 40 years, thats 800 tonnes in your life. Even if nature could compact that down to an efficient storage as coal in that short space of time, you think you would have notice it stored somewhere ?

You also agreed above that co2 is a green house gas, and more co2 is in the atmosphere, but dispute that sea temperatures are warming. How can it not, if the first two are true ?

finally, huricanes and all tropical cyclones are definately related to sea temperature, because they mostly occur where the sea temperatures are favourable. Thats a simple link if ever there was one.

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