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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza Reply #15 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 5:34am I strongly denounce the Gillard Government for not calling for peace in Israel/Palestine and for not denouncing violence...
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza Reply #16 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:52am Stop Male violence & aggression...
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Reply #17 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:04am

Gillard Supports Israeli Violence, Condemns Palestinian Violence...why the hypocrisy from warmongers...? Why did Gillard fail to call for peace and non violence...the people of Australia are entitled to know...

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Gillard condemns attacks on Israel

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has condemned the attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip, saying the rocket attacks will not help the Palestinian campaign for self-determination.

In a statement, Ms Gillard said Australia was gravely concerned by the escalating conflict.

''The government condemns the repeated rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip and calls on Hamas to cease these immediately,'' Ms Gillard said.

''Australia supports Israel's right to defend itself against these indiscriminate attacks. Such attacks on Israel's civilian population are utterly unacceptable.''
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She urged both Israel and Hamas to exercise restraint, and said any escalation in the attacks by Hamas ''will not serve the interests of the Palestinian people or their cause for self-determination and statehood''.

''The government of Australia will work earnestly with other countries to end further attacks from Gaza and to encourage a de-escalation of this conflict,'' she said.

''We encourage regional countries, particularly Egypt, to support efforts to restore peace.

''The only way forward is a two-state solution based on direct negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-condemns-attacks-on-israel-...

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Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza
Reply #18 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 3:56pm

[quote author=776A71666F66707060626E73626A646D6671030 link=1352948089/0#0 date=1352948089]In the Israeli Governments most recent act of senseless violence and cold blooded murder Palestinian leader leader Ahmed Jabari has been assassinated. The move appears timed to send a message regarding the Palestinians push for recognition by the UN and is a clear sign of a lack of resolve on Israels part to commit to the road map towards peace. Israel is also threatening to topple Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.
This conduct is unacceptable and I condemn in the strongest terms this latest act of violence and urge the United Nations to likewise condemn it and call all parties to cease and desist from all violence immediately and without exception...
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Perhaps the timing has more to do with the 100 missiles fired from Gaza into Israel in the past week eh.
The only thing senseless is the terrorists ongoing responses to agreed cease fires.
Israel needs to go in and finish them off once and for all.
Nothing at all was mentioned about the 100+ missiles until after Israel responded.

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Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza
Reply #19 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 4:01pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

[quote author=776A71666F66707060626E73626A646D6671030 link=1352948089/0#0 date=1352948089]In the Israeli Governments most recent act of senseless violence and cold blooded murder Palestinian leader leader Ahmed Jabari has been assassinated. The move appears timed to send a message regarding the Palestinians push for recognition by the UN and is a clear sign of a lack of resolve on Israels part to commit to the road map towards peace. Israel is also threatening to topple Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.
This conduct is unacceptable and I condemn in the strongest terms this latest act of violence and urge the United Nations to likewise condemn it and call all parties to cease and desist from all violence immediately and without exception...
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Perhaps the timing has more to do with the 100 missiles fired from Gaza into Israel in the past week eh.
The only thing senseless is the terrorists ongoing responses to agreed cease fires.
Israel needs to go in and finish them off once and for all.
Nothing at all was mentioned about the 100+ missiles until after Israel responded.

How dare people try and defend themselves like you and anyone else would in their position.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact they are an occupied peoples who have been locked in Nazi style ghettos for over half a century with all freedoms and hopes removed.
Perhaps it is the constant bombing, shooting, maiming, torturing of Palestinians that has lead them to have to defend themselves.
At least we can agree that israel is senseless.
Looking at you whinge like a bitch now its literally impossible to imagine how you would act if Israel was in Palestine's position.

Stop supporting terrorism.

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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza Reply #20 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 4:22pm The Latest Lie of racist white Male warmongers is that they do not kill innocent civilians with their bombs, their innocent peace loving Asian victims kill themselves by using themselves as human shields...Violent aggressive White male warmongers have no shame in their lies..
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Reply #21 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

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Indonesian Officials Condemn Israel, But One Goes to Visit

While some Indonesian officials condemned Israel’s strike on Palestinians in Gaza, others are enjoying Israeli hospitality in Tel Aviv this week.

Mahfudz Shiddiq, head of House of Representatives Commission I, which oversees foreign affairs, said the world must isolate Israel for its attacks on Palestinians in Gaza. Cool

Israel launched a military operation on Wednesday that resulted in the death of Hamas’s top military commander, followed by an onslaught of air strikes and shelling by tanks and naval gunboats. Eleven Palestinians, including two children and seven militants, have been killed and more than 100 wounded since the Israeli operation in Gaza began.

Hamas launched a rocket attack on Thursday in a revenge attack that killed three Israelis. “Like Indonesia, all Islamic countries must cut their ties with Israel, and not just withdraw their envoys,” Mahfudz said. “The Israeli imperialist regime must be isolated.” Cool

He asked Indonesia, which has the highest Muslim population of any country, and other Association of Southeast Asian Nations members to bring the attacks on Palestinians to the UN Security Council and International Criminal Court. “Remember what Sukarno [Indonesia’s first president] said: all forms of occupation must end,” Mahfudz said, adding that the US should stop supporting Israel. Wink

He said that if US was sincere in its belief in the value of upholding human rights, the country should reject any form of Israeli occupation in Palestine. Roll Eyes

Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa on Friday issued a statement calling on all parties to refrain from actions that would further aggravate the situation and lead to more civilian casualties.

Indonesia called on all parties to go back to the negotiating table and seek a final solution to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Sad

"Indonesia believes that a sovereign Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in accordance with the principle of a two-state solution is the final solution to resolve the conflict," Marty said.

While officials in Jakarta have been eager to condemn Israel and the violence, a media outlet reported that an Indonesian official is a guest of the Israeli government in Tel Aviv.

Haaretz.com reported on Thursday that a representative of Indonesia’s highest security council, which is responsible for building the nation’s cyber protection and warfare infrastructure, has been attending an Israeli homeland security conference this week.

The Indonesian official, a guest of Ramzi Gabbay, chairman of the Israeli Export Institute, an arm of the Israeli Ministry of Industry and Trade, roamed the conference without a badge, though other attendees had them, the website reported.

According to Haaretz, Gabbay has been working on forging alliances between Israel and Indonesia, and a delegation from Indonesia is expected to visit Israel soon.

While Israel and Indonesia have never had diplomatic relations, trade between the two countries reached $750 million in 2008 and $450 million in 2009.

In 2009, the two nations established the Israel-Indonesia Chamber of Commerce, under the auspices of the Israel-Asia Chamber of Commerce.

The Israel-Indonesia chamber is headed by Emanuel Shahaf, a former Israeli diplomat and chief executive of the firm Technology Asia Consulting, according to Haaretz.

The current ties between Israel and Indonesia have been the brainchild of Abdurrahman Wahid, who was the president of Indonesia from 1999 to 2001 and earlier served Gus Dur served with the Jerusalem-based Simon Peres Peace Institute.

Additional reporting from AP
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Reply #22 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 4:45pm

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Reply #24 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

USA Strongly Defends Israels Violence And aggression Against Peace loving Palestinians...

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UNITED NATIONS: Arab nations demanded the UN Security Council condemn Israel’s deadly attacks on Gaza at an emergency meeting late Wednesday, but the United States strongly defended Israel’s military strikes. Huh

Egypt and other Arab states called for the emergency meeting after Israel staged more than 20 air strikes on the besieged Palestinian territory, killing Hamas military commander Ahmed Jaabari.

The 15-nation council did not condemn either side after the 90 minute meeting. Hardeep Singh Puri, India’s UN envoy and Security Council president, said: “All the statements that I heard resonated with one message — that the violence has to stop, there has to be de-escalation.” Sad

Arab nations wanted the council “to condemn that barbaric attack” by Israel and “send a strong message to call for a cessation of hostilities,” said Sudan’s UN envoy Daffa-Alla Elhag Ali Osman, chairman of the Arab bloc at the UN. Roll Eyes

The United States strongly defended the actions of its key Middle East ally however. Sad

Highlighting Israel’s claim that at least 768 rockets have been fired from Gaza this year,

US ambassador Susan Rice told the council: “Israel, like any nation, has the right to defend itself against such vicious attacks.”

“There is no justification for the violence that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are employing against the people of Israel. We call on those responsible to stop these cowardly acts immediately.”Rice, a frontrunner to become the next US secretary of state, said the rocket attacks were harming efforts to end the Middle East conflict and create a Palestinian state.

“Hamas claims to have the best interests of the Palestinian people at heart, yet it continues to engage in violence that does nothing but set back the Palestinian cause.

“Attacking Israel on a near daily basis does nothing to help Palestinians in Gaza nor to move the Palestinian people any closer to achieving self determination and independence,” Rice said.

Britain’s UN envoy Mark Lyall Grant also condemned rocket attacks into Israel but called on Israel “to act in a way that de-escalates tensions.”Only the Palestinian and Israeli ambassadors were allowed to address the meeting on top of the council envoys.

Palestinian envoy Riyad Mansour told the council that a child of 11 months, two other children and a pregnant 19-year-old woman were among at least nine dead from the attacks.

“Death, destruction, trauma and terror are being rained upon our people before the eyes of the world,” Mansour said. Sad

“The international community must act to bring an end to Israel’s illegal policies and practices against the Palestinian people,” he added. Angry

Mansour said the attacks were linked to the Palestinian application for observer status at the United Nations, which is due to be voted on by the UN General Assembly on November 29.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned that the military operation could be expanded and the country’s UN ambassador Ron Prosor said:

“The goal of Israel’s operation is clearly defined — to remove a strategic threat to Israeli citizens.”

He told the council that Israel will not play “Russian roulette with the lives of our citizens.”

“Hamas has turned Gaza into a haven and a breeding ground for global terrorist organizations,” Prosor declared.

The Palestinian envoy said that if the council could not halt Israel’s attacks, the Palestinian Authority would come back and demand a formal condemnation of Israel.

He said this could include proposing a resolution, which the United States would almost certainly veto. The US administration uses its powers as a permanent member of the UN council to block any resolution condemning Israel.
http://dawn.com/2012/11/15/us-defends-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-at-emergency-un-me...

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Reply #26 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:18pm

http://www.news.com.au/world/israeli-military-gaza-militants-trade-fire-as-resid...

Three Israelis killed as Hamas rockets rain down while 19 die in Gaza attacks

ISRAELI aircraft pummelled the rocket arsenals of Gaza militants on Friday and signaled a ground invasion might be growing near as troops, tanks and armored personnel carriers massed near Israel's southern border with the Palestinian territory.

Fighting between the two sides escalated sharply with a first-ever militant attack on the Tel Aviv area, menacing Israel's heartland.

No casualties were reported, but three people died in the country's rocket-scarred south when a projectile slammed into an apartment building.

The death toll in the densely populated Palestinian territory climbed to 19, including five children according to Palestinian health officials, as waves of Israeli fighter planes and drones sent missiles hurtling down on suspected weapons stores and rocket-launching sites.

Three Israelis dead as violence rages

Israel and Hamas had largely observed an informal truce since Israel's devastating incursion into Gaza four years ago, but rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes on militant operations didn't halt entirely.

Troops massing on the border

At least 12 trucks were seen transporting tanks and armored personnel carriers toward Gaza late Thursday, and buses carrying soldiers headed toward the border area.

Israeli TV stations said a Gaza operation was expected on Friday, though military officials said no decision had been made.

"We will continue the attacks and we will increase the attacks, and I believe we will obtain our objectives," said Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, Israel's military chief.

An Israeli ground offensive could be costly to both sides. In the last Gaza war, Israel devastated large areas of the territory, setting back Hamas' fighting capabilities but also paying the price of increasing diplomatic isolation because of a civilian death toll numbering in the hundreds.

The Iron Dome defence system fires to intercept incoming missiles from Gaza in the port town of Ashdod on Thursday. Picture: Tsafrir Abayov

Peace offering

Israel has agreed to halt a massive aerial campaign on the Gaza Strip during a visit Friday by Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Qandil provided militants also hold their fire, an Israeli official said.

"Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu has agreed to an Egyptian request to cease fire during the visit to Gaza this morning by the Egyptian prime minister, a visit that is supposed to last some three hours," the senior official told AFP.

"In our response forwarded to the Egyptians, Israel has said that the IDF (Israeli military) will cease fire on the condition that during that period there won't be hostile fire from Gaza into Israel."

Israeli war planes carried out multiple new air strikes on the Gaza Strip, including several hits on Gaza City, early Friday, the third day of an intensive operation against Gaza militants, AFP reporters and Hamas security sources said.

Israel under fire

The Israeli Defence Force said more than 300 rockets had been fired at Israel in the past few days, with one rocket hitting the central city Rishon Lezion, about 60 km from the Gaza Strip.

The IDF said three people were killed when a rocket landed on their home.

The trail of an Israeli missile launched from the Iron Dome defence missile system is seen along the Gaza border in response to a rocket launched from the nearby Palestinian Gaza Strip on November 15, 2012. Israel will take "whatever action is necessary" to defend its citizens from Palestinian rocket attacks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said as the military pressed a massive operation in Gaza. AFP / Jack Guez

Palestinian deaths from relentless air strikes rose to 19 overnight Thursday.

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard joined a growing chorus of world leaders condemning the rocket attacks and urging both sides to show restraint.

"The Government condemns the repeated rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip and calls on Hamas to cease these immediately,'' she said.

"Australia supports Israel's right to defend itself against these indiscriminate attacks. Such attacks on Israel's civilian population are utterly unacceptable."

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122704 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza Reply #27 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 9:22am What about the supposed surgical strikes? Does this look like a precision surgical strike? from CNN. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=...
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Reply #28 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 12:03pm

Getting too close to peace for Israeli's comfort?

The last thing Israel wants is peace, it's not on their agenda for any time soon.

Long-term peace was within reach before Israeli attack

Israel has chosen to attack Gaza in order to avoid reaching a longer-term peace settlement that was being negotiated with the help of Hamas’ military leader Ahmen Jabari, who was assassinated in an Israeli attack Wednesday, says Israeli activist.

Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin spoke to RT confirming that Ahmen Jabari was involved in peace settlement negotiations with Israel and was due to send Hamas’ version of a peace draft to Baskin on Wednesday evening before he was killed.

RT: So you're saying that a draft of a permanent truce agreement already existed. What went wrong then?

Gershon Baskin: It was initially drafted 8 months ago. It was presented to the Israelis, Hamas, Egyptian intelligence and the UN for deliberation. Both Israelis and Hamas decided not to agree. Over the last months the ceasefires got shorter and shorter and the intensity of the fighting increased. And I decided together with my counterpart in Hamas, we were instrumental in negotiating a prisoner exchange deal that led to freedom of Gilad Shaid, the Israeli soldier held in captivity by Mr. Jabari, we decided to push forward. My Hamas counterpart wrote a new version of the draft and he was presenting it to Hamas leaders. In fact on Wednesday morning he was presenting it to Ahmed Jabari himself. I was supposed to receive later that evening the copy of the draft in Arabic for me to deliver to the Israelis who were waiting for it along with Egyptian intelligence.

RT: What is Israel's endgame here? What are they hoping to achieve?

GB: I don’t know how you define an end game at this point. They stated that the aim is to create deterrence. How do you determine that you created enough deterrence? Is it when you have killed enough people? Destroyed enough of the infrastructure? Destroyed enough buildings? I don’t know how you define it. What we have here is a bigger chance of escalation for a ground operation. We have to recall that Hamas rockets that they shoot into Israel are what we call a statistical weapon. They usually fall into open space, but they can fall onto a school bus, supermarket, apartment building and we can have major casualties. And if it does happen we will have a ground operation.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Israels Most Recent Senseless Violence In Gaza Reply #29 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 12:12pm Israel does want peace.
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