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Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

Hi all, another recent death in custody in the Northern Territory has occurred recently and has sparked a debate.

In the recent online addition of the NT news, you are able to view the Coroners report unfortunately, I am unable to provide a link.

Would love to hear your opinions if you have the time to read the coroners report.

You will have to manually search NT News. Story published Police slammed over Briscoe death

AAP | September 17th, 2012

If only I could link. Threads useless without!

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT Reply #1 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:20pm Is this it? Police slammed over Briscoe death http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/courtsupp/coroner/documents/2012_findings/A00052012...
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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #2 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:41pm

Pansi,
Thankyou for posting that. Yes indeed that is the report I was refering to. There is also a link that shows CCTV footage in the watch house.

Was starting to think this thread would be a disaster without it.

Thanks again for taking the time to look for it and hopefully for having a good read.

Should make for an interesting discussion.

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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #3 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:37pm

alcohol, alcohol, alcohol

that is the problem.

this guy had 31 previous admissions to the watch house for public drunkeness and drinking related offenses.

i was at wooribinda , an aboriginal reserve in central qld when premier wayne goss proudly opened the canteen there (previously it had been a dry community).

better to have a bit of paternalism and just ban grog, just ban it. they would be better off smoking weed.

not fair to blame the police for looking after someone with a blood alcohol of .31 who really should be in hospital, but then i'm sure they couldnt build enough hospitals to house all the drunks.

currently the biggest hospital in the southern hemisphere (royal brisbane) has 4 acute beds for drying out alcoholics. drunks have fits, vomit aspirate. it is a very toxic drug.

BAN, BAN, BAN

if they dont want to ban then dont scapegoat the cops who are not doctors and nurses.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37526 Gender:	Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT Reply #5 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm ... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:39pm: We should ban deaths in custody. But why stop there - lets' ban death altogether. deaths in custody are inevitable, these are really sick people. save the money on all these legal inquests and use it to pay off woolies to close liquorland alice springs.
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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #6 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 6:14am

RedRoses wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Pansi,
Thankyou for posting that. Yes indeed that is the report I was refering to. There is also a link that shows CCTV footage in the watch house.

Was starting to think this thread would be a disaster without it.

Thanks again for taking the time to look for it and hopefully for having a good read.

Should make for an interesting discussion.

That's ok. I saw the footage before, clearly unnecessary police brutality. I can't see the need for excessive force when the person is that drunk, it's not like he had the ability to hurt the cops in any way.

He didn't commit any offences; he was taken to the watch house for protection. It seems "protective custody" isn't very protective.

Would it be too difficult to erect a purpose built establishment for 'drying out'? Say a 20-30 bed unit that would be managed and staffed by both white and Aboriginal people. Maybe some nursing staff and some carers. What I'm saying is there should be other options so that inebriated people are not left to die in a police cell.

I think they already have these places, so why wasn't he taken there?

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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 8:39am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:37pm:

this guy had 31 previous admissions to the watch house for public drunkeness and drinking related offenses.

When does a person stop and think about modifying their behaviour? Is it after the 10th arrest? Maybe the 12th arrest? When are people going to accept responsibility for their lifestyle? And the big question is - following the blitz on fags - when will the government stop the heavy promotion of alcohol? If one drug is bad why not the other drug? Why not darken the windows of all the Dan Murphy and BWS stores so people can't see the product?

I have never been arrested. Am I doing something wrong?

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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 4:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

We should ban deaths in custody. But why stop there - lets' ban death altogether.

deaths in custody are inevitable, these are really sick people. save the money on all these legal inquests and use it to pay off woolies to close liquorland alice springs. Wink

Not sure about them being inevitable.

Standard operating procedures are put in place as a safe guard. Obviously this could have been avoided if they were followed.

Have a read of the coroners report. Tell me if you still believe this case was inevitable.

It really is a good read.

Also the petition has gained momentum.

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Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT
Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 4:30pm

RedRoses wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 4:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

We should ban deaths in custody. But why stop there - lets' ban death altogether.

deaths in custody are inevitable, these are really sick people. save the money on all these legal inquests and use it to pay off woolies to close liquorland alice springs. Wink

Not sure about them being inevitable.

Standard operating procedures are put in place as a safe guard. Obviously this could have been avoided if they were followed.

Have a read of the coroners report. Tell me if you still believe this case was inevitable.

It really is a good read.

Also the petition has gained momentum.

coroners are great at gazing down the retrospect o scope.
they love analysing real time situations where there are enormous ammounts of chaos going on and instant decisions are neccessary. usually they recommend protocols involving lots of forms with boxes that need to be ticked to keep everyone safe.

this of course is complete BS as the last thing you want is cops or other people in charge of acute crisis concentrating on getting the paperwork right.

no good telling that to the legal sh#t heads who have never faced a crisis bigger than a slightly tepid capucino or a scratch in their merc. Angry

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Police - Death in Custody - Alice Springs NT Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 4:33pm whatever happened to taking resposibility for ones own actions? If you know you can't handle your drink ... don't dam drink.
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Question: Should Police be held accountable - Death in Custody
Yes - Duty of care is paramount 4 (66.7%) No - Duty of care is overated 2 (33.3%) Im not sure. 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 6 « Created by: RedRoses on: Nov 7^th, 2012 at 6:12pm »