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Victoria's LOSS, South Australia's GAIN
Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:14pm
 
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Timothy McDonald
Fri Sep 7, 2012 9:54am AEST


While gale-force winds kept emergency services busy across South Australia this week, they also fired up turbines on the state's wind farms.

Figures from the Australian Energy Market Operator show while the winds were howling, more than half the state's power came from wind farms.

Roughly a quarter of South Australia's power came from wind farms last year



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Mt Millar wind farm on Eyre Peninsula in SA


Peak wind generation accounted for up to 85 per cent of the state's power
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But the Clean Energy Council's policy director, Russell Marsh, says when winds topped 90 kilometres per hour earlier this week, that figure was much higher.

"What we've seen is over the last couple of days the amount of energy generated from wind power in South Australia has gone through between 55 and 85 per cent since Monday as a result of the very strong winds we're having at the moment," he said.

And for a few brief moments in the early hours of Wednesday morning, wind was generating so much power some of it was being exported to Victoria.


Mr Marsh says emissions from South Australia's power sector have fallen every year since 2005, and have dropped 27 per cent over the past five years.

He says there is no reason other states could not emulate the success.

"South Australia has a great, great wind resource, it's probably one of the best places in Australia to build wind," he said.

"And we expect to see ... many more wind farms built, not just in South Australia but in other states along the south-east coast of Australia."

But he says the figures do not suggest coal-fired power generation's days are numbered.

"We're really only starting down the path of developing both wind energy specifically and renewable energy generally in Australia," Mr Marsh said.

"I think we're going to see coal and other fossil fuel generation around for a number of years to come. But, certainly we reckon that wind and other renewables can certainly play their part in generating more energy in the future."

One of the criticisms of wind power has long been that times of light wind conditions result in a reduction in the amount of energy generated.

But Mr Marsh denies this week's event reinforces that argument.

"No it doesn't, because what the market operator's also showing is that across the year, about 25 per cent of the state's power comes from wind," he said.

"And that has resulted in two things in South Australia. Firstly, you're seeing less generation from coal and gas as a result of the amount of wind. And also you're seeing greenhouse gas emissions in South Australia dropping.

"So... what we're seeing in South Australia is evidence that deploying wind, in this case wind, in Australia actually does lead to using less fossil fuels and reduces emission."




http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-07/gales-fire-up-south-australian-wind-turbin...




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But the government is unlikely to face proposals for any more wind farms in the near future, Pacific Hydro spokesman Andrew Richards said.

''We are not going to look at any projects in Victoria at this stage,'' Mr Richards told the paper. ''It's just too difficult. The industry is in a holding pattern, a wait-and-see pattern.''


The Baillieu government ‘s wind farm policy allows residents to knock back any turbine development less than two kilometres from their home.


http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/vic-see-more-wind-farms-despite-baillieu...







buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 10:49pm:
Premier John Brumby held a press conference with the renewable energy companies and warned that the opposition policy would kill the wind industry in the state as it would effectively create a 13-square-kilometre exclusion zone around each home.

South Australian Labor Premier Mike Rann agreed, welcoming the Coalition policy as a potential boon for wind farm construction in his state
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/you-dont-need-a-weatherman-to-know-which-way-t...











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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:23am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:05am:
THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia's power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

As Victoria's Yallourn brown-coal-fired power station became the latest to announce a production cut, experts said falling demand for electricity, more renewables such as wind farms and solar, and
the carbon price
were all pushing Australia's coal-fired stations out of the market, making generation cleaner.


Electricity sold into the east coast market
in the three months since the tax was introduced created on average 7.6 per cent less carbon dioxide for each megawatt hour of power
, an analysis of figures compiled by the Australian Energy Market Operator shows.




The decline in emissions intensity was sharpest in South Australia (16.1 per cent) ...






http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/power-demand-slump-sends-emissions...





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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am
 
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.
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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


Or just employ a conservative to make some for you.  It seems that's all their good at.

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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?
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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
Well I wouldn't want a wind farm even 2 kms from where I live. I've heard enough about people & livestock being driven out of their minds.
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Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?

Why would that worry me. The discussion is not even on the table yet. Get back to me when it is.
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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:12pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?

Why would that worry me. The discussion is not even on the table yet. Get back to me when it is.


The alternative is on the table..its what we are discussing
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Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:44pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?

Why would that worry me. The discussion is not even on the table yet. Get back to me when it is.


The alternative is on the table..its what we are discussing

Alternative to what. Cheap electricity. That is no alternative.
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Reply #9 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:54pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:44pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?

Why would that worry me. The discussion is not even on the table yet. Get back to me when it is.


The alternative is on the table..its what we are discussing

Alternative to what. Cheap electricity. That is no alternative.


There is no such a thing as cheap electricity
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Reply #10 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 3:08pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:44pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:12pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:25am:
Good for Victoria. SA, you idiots.

Wind farms have been found to be way too expensive and inefficient. Unsustainable in the affordable energy market.

You want wind, go buy your own and stick it in your backyard.


What are you going to do when coal reserves start to run out and the price goes through the roof?
Rub two bits of cellophane together?

Why would that worry me. The discussion is not even on the table yet. Get back to me when it is.


The alternative is on the table..its what we are discussing

Alternative to what. Cheap electricity. That is no alternative.


There is no such a thing as cheap electricity

Ok, for you, how about we try CHEAPER
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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:34am
 
Take away all the subsidies for coal from exploration, mining, transport, construction and maintenance of power plants and then the burning of the coal as well as the cost of the pollution and rehabilitating mine sites and I think you'll find its a very costly way to produce energy. Not just today but for many generations into the future.
Without subsidies and tax breaks from the beginning to the end and if all the pollution is taken into account burning coal is so expensive it would never be used to produce energy.
And of course if when we take into account that coal will eventually run out and we will be forced to use alternatives we might as well take the steps now to do it and put ourselves at the cutting edge of new technologies.
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adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:34am:
Take away all the subsidies for coal from exploration, mining, transport, construction and maintenance of power plants and then the burning of the coal as well as the cost of the pollution and rehabilitating mine sites and I think you'll find its a very costly way to produce energy. Not just today but for many generations into the future.
Without subsidies and tax breaks from the beginning to the end and if all the pollution is taken into account burning coal is so expensive it would never be used to produce energy.
And of course if when we take into account that coal will eventually run out and we will be forced to use alternatives we might as well take the steps now to do it and put ourselves at the cutting edge of new technologies.

Surely someone has done the numbers then instead of flippant remarks. Do you have the numbers?
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 9:28am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 9:02am:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:34am:
Take away all the subsidies for coal from exploration, mining, transport, construction and maintenance of power plants and then the burning of the coal as well as the cost of the pollution and rehabilitating mine sites and I think you'll find its a very costly way to produce energy. Not just today but for many generations into the future.
Without subsidies and tax breaks from the beginning to the end and if all the pollution is taken into account burning coal is so expensive it would never be used to produce energy.
And of course if when we take into account that coal will eventually run out and we will be forced to use alternatives we might as well take the steps now to do it and put ourselves at the cutting edge of new technologies.

Surely someone has done the numbers then instead of flippant remarks. Do you have the numbers?


Nope..but Im betting that when you find them the absolute total cost of coal is a lot more than sticking up wind turbines and putting solar cells on your roof.
Taking solar cells off your roof is not gonna cost as much as rehabilitating an open cut coal mine or the cost of the farmland lost forever because of the mine
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