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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #45 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:25am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Prevailing wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Assigning a Tax to a chemical reaction is a farce...Tax the second law of thermo-dynamics why don't you...

Assigning a penalty rate on polution has been pretty standard practice in modern economies for some time.

You pour acid into the river, you get fined. You dont pour acid into the river, you dont.

But Co2 isn't a pollutant, it is a natural by-product of life itself..

Yes. CO2 is a natural by-product of life itself which is a pollutant above certain concentrations. Just like manure.

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Reply #46 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:35am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Prevailing wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Assigning a Tax to a chemical reaction is a farce...Tax the second law of thermo-dynamics why don't you...

Assigning a penalty rate on polution has been pretty standard practice in modern economies for some time.

You pour acid into the river, you get fined. You dont pour acid into the river, you dont.

But Co2 isn't a pollutant, it is a natural by-product of life itself..

Define "polutant" ?

Any substance that makes the world worse off would be mine. Radiation is "natural" too. Doesnt mean I want to live near fukushima.

Simple...a 'polLutant' is a chemical or group of chemical that do not occur naturally in the natural world without human intervention...

Making up your own definitions!!!! Good for you!

Sorry champ - but you will find that the most common pollutants do occur naturally in the real word - ie. sewage, silt/sedimentation, salt, dust, etc etc.

Even by your retarded definnition, CO2 is a pollutant, since it is the human intevention of burning fossil fuels that has caused CO2 to be present in the atmosphere at elevated levels.

CO2 can be a pollutant. It is a simple fact. Learn it.

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #47 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:33am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

There wasnt much in heat content in the ocean that wasnt of normal levels.

Except for 3 or 4 degrees above average. Roll Eyes

Anyway, when you look at the damage seen on those beach front houses on staten island, it not hard to understand why Tim Flannery made sure when he brought coastal land that it was well above 10m above sea level (ie a point, not a beach).

An Inconvenient Truth: Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies along Sandy’s Track Haven’t Warmed in 70+ Years

Dont know where you are getting the 3 - 4 degrees from, but there was some fool who said 5 degrees.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/05/an-inconvenient-truth-sea-surface-temperat...

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #48 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Prevailing wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Assigning a Tax to a chemical reaction is a farce...Tax the second law of thermo-dynamics why don't you...

Assigning a penalty rate on polution has been pretty standard practice in modern economies for some time.

You pour acid into the river, you get fined. You dont pour acid into the river, you dont.

But Co2 isn't a pollutant, it is a natural by-product of life itself..

Define "polutant" ?

Any substance that makes the world worse off would be mine. Radiation is "natural" too. Doesnt mean I want to live near fukushima.

Simple...a 'polLutant' is a chemical or group of chemical that do not occur naturally in the natural world without human intervention...

Making up your own definitions!!!! Good for you!

Sorry champ - but you will find that the most common pollutants do occur naturally in the real word - ie. sewage, silt/sedimentation, salt, dust, etc etc.

Even by your retarded definnition, CO2 is a pollutant, since it is the human intevention of burning fossil fuels that has caused CO2 to be present in the atmosphere at elevated levels.

CO2 can be a pollutant. It is a simple fact. Learn it.

Most of which are NOT pollutants......oh and sewage doesn't occur naturally..it requires human action

Sorry Rabbit, but even though you drunk the coolaid, you should still do enough research to actually get the difference between the two

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #49 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

[quote author=544952454C45535343414D504149474E4552200 link=1352071339/27#27 date=1352093679]Assigning a Tax to a chemical reaction is a farce...Tax the second law of thermo-dynamics why don't you...

Assigning a penalty rate on polution has been pretty standard practice in modern economies for some time.

You pour acid into the river, you get fined. You dont pour acid into the river, you dont.

But Co2 isn't a pollutant, it is a natural by-product of life itself..

Define "polutant" ?

Any substance that makes the world worse off would be mine. Radiation is "natural" too. Doesnt mean I want to live near fukushima.

Simple...a 'polLutant' is a chemical or group of chemical that do not occur naturally in the natural world without human intervention...

Making up your own definitions!!!! Good for you!

Sorry champ - but you will find that the most common pollutants do occur naturally in the real word - ie. sewage, silt/sedimentation, salt, dust, etc etc.

Even by your retarded definnition, CO2 is a pollutant, since it is the human intevention of burning fossil fuels that has caused CO2 to be present in the atmosphere at elevated levels.

CO2 can be a pollutant. It is a simple fact. Learn it.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Most of which are NOT pollutants......oh and sewage doesn't occur naturally..it requires human action

No. Everythg I mentioned can be pollutants.

You need to look up what the word means.
You probably should look up what the word "sewage" means too. If you use water - you have sewage. Simple as that.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Sorry Rabbit, but even though you drunk the coolaid, you should still do enough research to actually get the difference between the two

Let me help you out. You seem to be labouring under the misconception that you know what you are talking about. It is clear you don't.

pollutant (p-ltnt)
A substance or condition that contaminates air, water, or soil. Pollutants can be artificial substances, such as pesticides and PCBs, or naturally occurring substances, such as oil or carbon dioxide, that occur in harmful concentrations in a given environment. Heat transmitted to natural waterways through warm-water discharge from power plants and uncontained radioactivity from nuclear wastes are also considered pollutants.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pollutant

Natural substances can be pollutants. Stop trying to make up your own definitions of commonly used words. It is a retarded thing to do.

Sediment/silt can be a pollutant. Naturally occurring salts can be pollutants. Animal faeces can be pollutants. Sewage is a pollutant. Co2 can be a pollutant.

Stop making things up - you are making a fool of yourself.

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #50 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Most of which are NOT pollutants......oh and sewage doesn't occur naturally..it requires human action

Sorry Rabbit, but even though you drunk the coolaid, you should still do enough research to actually get the difference between the two

Um,

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #51 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:15pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

There wasnt much in heat content in the ocean that wasnt of normal levels.

Except for 3 or 4 degrees above average. Roll Eyes

Anyway, when you look at the damage seen on those beach front houses on staten island, it not hard to understand why Tim Flannery made sure when he brought coastal land that it was well above 10m above sea level (ie a point, not a beach).

http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/figure-1.png

An Inconvenient Truth: Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies along Sandy’s Track Haven’t Warmed in 70+ Years

Dont know where you are getting the 3 - 4 degrees from, but there was some fool who said 5 degrees.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/05/an-inconvenient-truth-sea-surface-temperat...

You have been constantly repeating the lie that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years?

Why do you post lies and then run away?

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #52 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:50pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

[quote author=544952454C45535343414D504149474E4552200 link=1352071339/27#27 date=1352093679]Assigning a Tax to a chemical reaction is a farce...Tax the second law of thermo-dynamics why don't you...

Assigning a penalty rate on polution has been pretty standard practice in modern economies for some time.

You pour acid into the river, you get fined. You dont pour acid into the river, you dont.

But Co2 isn't a pollutant, it is a natural by-product of life itself..

Define "polutant" ?

Any substance that makes the world worse off would be mine. Radiation is "natural" too. Doesnt mean I want to live near fukushima.

Simple...a 'polLutant' is a chemical or group of chemical that do not occur naturally in the natural world without human intervention...

Making up your own definitions!!!! Good for you!

Sorry champ - but you will find that the most common pollutants do occur naturally in the real word - ie. sewage, silt/sedimentation, salt, dust, etc etc.

Even by your retarded definnition, CO2 is a pollutant, since it is the human intevention of burning fossil fuels that has caused CO2 to be present in the atmosphere at elevated levels.

CO2 can be a pollutant. It is a simple fact. Learn it.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Most of which are NOT pollutants......oh and sewage doesn't occur naturally..it requires human action

No. Everythg I mentioned can be pollutants.

You need to look up what the word means.
You probably should look up what the word "sewage" means too. If you use water - you have sewage. Simple as that.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Sorry Rabbit, but even though you drunk the coolaid, you should still do enough research to actually get the difference between the two

Let me help you out. You seem to be labouring under the misconception that you know what you are talking about. It is clear you don't.

pollutant (p-ltnt)
A substance or condition that contaminates air, water, or soil. Pollutants can be artificial substances, such as pesticides and PCBs, or naturally occurring substances, such as oil or carbon dioxide, that occur in harmful concentrations in a given environment. Heat transmitted to natural waterways through warm-water discharge from power plants and uncontained radioactivity from nuclear wastes are also considered pollutants.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pollutant

Natural substances can be pollutants. Stop trying to make up your own definitions of commonly used words. It is a retarded thing to do.

Sediment/silt can be a pollutant. Naturally occurring salts can be pollutants. Animal faeces can be pollutants. Sewage is a pollutant. Co2 can be a pollutant.

Stop making things up - you are making a fool of yourself.

LOL I'm not the fool, you're the one trying to declare 'dirt' to be a pollutant....

Cool, so when are you starting the campaign to fine farmers for polluting...after all they use animal feces (fertilisers) on their crops...

What's next...is water a pollutant too....after all too much of that can cause floods and drowning.

Seriously...you guys get funnier everyday......have you stopped breathing yet, wouldn't want to spew out all the nasty Co2 pollution...
http://www.petitiononline.com/h2o/petition.html

There you go...better sign up..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #53 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Will Huricane Sandy, hitting home to one of the world centres, finally make the US do something about its co2 emissions ?

I think its the first step. More super-storms to follow will all chip away at the deniers stranglehold on US politics.

Can you put up the proof this storm was caused by C02 emissions please.

Lack of artic ice sheet this year, causing northern oceans to absorb much more energy, intensifing Sandy.

There wasnt much in heat content in the ocean that wasnt of normal levels.

Except for 3 or 4 degrees above average. Roll Eyes

Anyway, when you look at the damage seen on those beach front houses on staten island, it not hard to understand why Tim Flannery made sure when he brought coastal land that it was well above 10m above sea level (ie a point, not a beach).

http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/figure-1.png

An Inconvenient Truth: Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies along Sandy’s Track Haven’t Warmed in 70+ Years

Dont know where you are getting the 3 - 4 degrees from, but there was some fool who said 5 degrees.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/05/an-inconvenient-truth-sea-surface-temperat...

You have been constantly repeating the lie that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years.

Why is the arctic ice cap shrinking, global glacial mass balance decreasing, sea levels rising and ocean temperatures increasing if the earth has not been warming for 16 years?

How is it you think that the earth has not been warming for the past 16 years when the global temperature anomaly to the long term average has been positive for every one of those 16 years?

Why do you post lies and then run away?

It is not my concern that you do not like the empirical data provided by MET that shows a 0.5 degree anomaly today, that is the same 0.5 anomaly 16 years ago. No warming for 16 years.

I cant help it that there are less hurricanes today and that sandies tracking area of ocean has not warmed for 70 years.

It is your concern that you do not like empirical data. The real world.

Now run along and answer your own question.

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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #54 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #55 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

LOL I'm not the fool, you're the one trying to declare 'dirt' to be a pollutant....

Yes. "Dirt" is a pollutant.

If you don't believe me - do an experiment.

Dig up some "dirt" from your garden and place it in gutter in front of your house.
Then - call your local Department of the Environment (or whatever it is called in your state) and tell them what you have done.
Get back to us with what the wording is on the infringement notice you will receive.

If youare Victorian - her is a description of sediment pollution for you

CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES FOR SEDIMENT POLLUTION CONTROL
http://www.ballarat.vic.gov.au/media/591899/construction_techniques_for_sediment_pollution_control.pdf

I suggest you read it. You are completely clueless.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Cool, so when are you starting the campaign to fine farmers for polluting...after all they use animal feces (fertilisers) on their crops...

Fining farmers for polluting waters from fertiliser runoff has been a feature of Australian law for decades. In Qld where I live - at least since the passing of the Environmental Protection Act in 1994

Here is some information from WA that may explain things for you:
http://www.water.wa.gov.au/PublicationStore/first/9985.pdf

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

What's next...is water a pollutant too....after all too much of that can cause floods and drowning.

Yes. Water can be a pollutant. Especially fresh water when it is introduced in large quantities in a marine environment

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Seriously...you guys get funnier everyday......have you stopped breathing yet, wouldn't want to spew out all the nasty Co2 pollution...

The CO2 you breath out is part of the carbon cycle relating to the what you eat and the air you breath. You are not adding to the net amount of CO2 in the atmosphere when you exhale. CO2 released from the burning of fossil fuels is a different matter. When you burn fossil fuels you are releasing carbon that has been out of the atmosphere for millions of years,

Do you really not understand this? Are you really that ignorant? How old are you?!?!

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Reply #56 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:31pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:15pm: