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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #195 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 7:38pm:
none of those new question relate to your answer needed to the question of how much % responsibility do you give co2 for the items of your own question. Do you give 100%. 1% or do you just run away.

If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.

What exactly is it do you want to know?
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Reply #196 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


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rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #197 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:48pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


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rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


Grin

Remenber - you told us that the measurement of C12/C13 ratios in atmospheric CO2 is not credible evidence to demonstrate that majority of the increase in concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin.  You told us was not credible - and when asked to explain why it wasn't credible - you ran away, displyng your ignorance for all to see.

Are you ready to explain your statement to us yet?
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #198 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:51pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


Followed by ...

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


Grin

Remenber - you told us that the measurement of C12/C13 ratios in atmospheric CO2 is not credible evidence to demonstrate that majority of the increase in concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin.  You told us was not credible - and when asked to explain why it wasn't credible - you ran away, displyng your ignorance for all to see.

Are you ready to explain your statement to us yet?

Significantly, note that the ratio of C13 variability to CO2 variability is EXACTLY THE SAME as that seen in the trends!

BOTTOM LINE: If the C13/C12 relationship during NATURAL inter-annual variability is the same as that found for the trends, how can people claim that the trend signal is MANMADE??


Dr Spencer, climate scientist

From the content linked below

In other words - worse than unreliable


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/28/spencer-pt2-more-co2-peculiarities-the-c13...
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Reply #199 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:54pm
 
Bunny boy's been burned bad.

Wink


"What exactly is it do you want to know?"


Sorry bunny, I like your posts on boat people (some very good comments) but when it comes to this topic you seem to be completely brainwashed.

When you admit that there's a chance the AGW hypothesis could be incorrect, I'll talk to you.





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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #200 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 12:43pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 19th, 2012 at 7:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
No amount of increased storm activity and/or rising sea levels can confirm AGW is actually happening.  It merely provides supporting evidence for the hypothesis. Unlike terrorism, AGW can not be confirmed through objective and verifiable observation (we can observe the storms and rising temperatures etc. but can only hypothesise that humans are to blame).
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No Greggery.  AGW can confirmed through objective and verifiable observation.



Nope.  Sorry.  The hypothesis can't be confirmed through objective and verifiable observation.

Some of the supporting evidence can be confirmed through objective and verifiable observation, but there's still not enough credible, reliable evidence to confirm the hypothesis.

You're a very confused little bunny boy.


He doesn't sound confused to me. On the other hand, greggery, you're struggling to put a coherent argument together. You've made it abundantly clear you don't think there is enough credible evidence to support the AGW hypothesis, that is clearly not the position held by the vast majority of scientists that work in the field. There is not a single scientific organisation that supports your position, greggery, yet there are well over a hundred that have come out in support of the AGW hypothesis.

Essentially your argument comes down to there is not enough credible evidence because I say so. Rabbitoh has patiently tried to outline the case for AGW, yet you stubbornly refuse to outline where you believe the evidence is insufficient. You pretend you have a deep understanding of climate science, yet never display any of that knowledge. How about you drop that massive chip on your shoulder and engage rabbitoh in some real debate.
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Reply #201 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:33am
 
MOTR wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
You've made it abundantly clear you don't think there is enough credible evidence to support the AGW hypothesis, that is clearly not the position held by the vast majority of scientists that work in the field. There is not a single scientific organisation that supports your position, greggery, yet there are well over a hundred that have come out in support of the AGW hypothesis.


And what is your point?

Seriously?  What exactly is your point?

What is it that worries you so much about someone having a different point of view?

Why do you AGW alarmists feel that it's so necessary for everyone in the world to think the same way that you do?


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Reply #202 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:45am
 
MOTR wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
He doesn't sound confused to me.


Of course he doesn't sound confused to you.  You're another brainwashed AGW alarmist.

So, tell me (honestly):

* Do you believe that there's any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be wrong? (simple 'yes' or 'no')

* Why do you feel the need to convince everyone in the world that the AGW hypothesis is the "right" one?
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #203 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:59am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:51pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


Followed by ...

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


Grin

Remenber - you told us that the measurement of C12/C13 ratios in atmospheric CO2 is not credible evidence to demonstrate that majority of the increase in concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin.  You told us was not credible - and when asked to explain why it wasn't credible - you ran away, displyng your ignorance for all to see.

Are you ready to explain your statement to us yet?

Significantly, note that the ratio of C13 variability to CO2 variability is EXACTLY THE SAME as that seen in the trends!

BOTTOM LINE: If the C13/C12 relationship during NATURAL inter-annual variability is the same as that found for the trends, how can people claim that the trend signal is MANMADE??


Dr Spencer, climate scientist

From the content linked below

In other words - worse than unreliable


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/28/spencer-pt2-more-co2-peculiarities-the-c13...


Did Spencer ever get this work published in a peer reviewed paper, progs?

Claiming that atmospheric CO2 increase isn’t due to fossil-fuel burning is about as dumb as it gets. We know that the total human emissions of CO2 are far larger than total CO2 increase. This can only mean one thing, the net emission from other sources has been negative, while atmospheric CO2 has been rising.

Honestly, progs, we might as well be discussing whether the earth is flat.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #204 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:02am
 
MOTR wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:59am:
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:51pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


Followed by ...

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


Grin

Remenber - you told us that the measurement of C12/C13 ratios in atmospheric CO2 is not credible evidence to demonstrate that majority of the increase in concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin.  You told us was not credible - and when asked to explain why it wasn't credible - you ran away, displyng your ignorance for all to see.

Are you ready to explain your statement to us yet?

Significantly, note that the ratio of C13 variability to CO2 variability is EXACTLY THE SAME as that seen in the trends!

BOTTOM LINE: If the C13/C12 relationship during NATURAL inter-annual variability is the same as that found for the trends, how can people claim that the trend signal is MANMADE??


Dr Spencer, climate scientist

From the content linked below

In other words - worse than unreliable


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/28/spencer-pt2-more-co2-peculiarities-the-c13...


Did Spencer ever get this work published in a peer reviewed paper, progs? As a skeptic I'm sure you could outline its weaknesses.



Do you believe that there's any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be wrong? (simple 'yes' or 'no')
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Re: Will Huricane Sandy force the world to act on co2?
Reply #205 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:39am
 
Very small chance. Odds would be better playing Russian roulette with 5 in the chamber.

The IPCC has it at less than 10%.
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Reply #206 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 3:20am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:33am:
MOTR wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
You've made it abundantly clear you don't think there is enough credible evidence to support the AGW hypothesis, that is clearly not the position held by the vast majority of scientists that work in the field. There is not a single scientific organisation that supports your position, greggery, yet there are well over a hundred that have come out in support of the AGW hypothesis.


And what is your point?

Seriously?  What exactly is your point?

What is it that worries you so much about someone having a different point of view?

Why do you AGW alarmists feel that it's so necessary for everyone in the world to think the same way that you do?



Because the risks are high and we are not dong enough to reduce those risks. Now you can call me an alarmist if you like, but I'm not the only one ringing alarms. Here are some other alarmists in the business of managing risks.

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The World Bank yesterday released a report prepared by the Potsdam Institute spelling out what the world is likely to experience if it warmed by 4 degrees Celsius. The World Bank declares that 4 degrees is looking increasingly likely by the end of the century without some serious policy changes by governments globally.

The report essentially attempts to summarise much of the research literature that has built up since the 2007 fourth IPCC Assessment Report and puts it in the context of the path we’re on unless we start taking this problem seriously. 

In short it does not make for pleasant reading. World Bank President Dr Jim Yong Kim says, “it is my hope that this report shocks us into action,” as he believes, “a 4 degree world can, and must, be avoided.” 

For the World Bank, who’s primary purpose is to help the impoverished nations out of poverty, “the lack of action on climate change not only risks putting prosperity out of reach of millions of people in the developing world, it threatens to roll back decades of sustainable development.”


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A 2010 US Defense Department review identified climate change and energy security as "prominent military vulnerabilities," noting that climate change in particular is an "accelerant of instability and conflict." It was the first time the Pentagon addressed climate in a comprehensive planning document.

A subsequent assessment by the National Research Council found that even moderate climate shifts will impact Navy operations. Sea-level rise and more severe storm surges will hit coastal military bases, and marine forces could also face more work in responding to an increase in humanitarian crises following disasters. The opening of the Arctic as sea ice disappears will likely require more patrols in harsh conditions as nations and industry interests are expected to vie for control of new trade routes and energy resources.


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Simon Young at insurance consultancy Caribbean Risk Managers says the area's too exposed, too low-lying.

Simon Young: Storm surge at the coast is the big issue. The general feeling is that it's going to get worse as the oceans warm up. The potential for bigger, more aggressive hurricanes increases, as well as sea level rise. And those two factors together increase the storm surge hazard.

Young says that risk is also rising on the east coast of the U.S. More broadly, he says for the insurance sector, the basic debate over climate change ended years ago.

Young: The insurance industry has accepted absolutely that climate change is real. There is no debate either at the management level or at the technical level as to whether climate change is going to have an impact on their industry.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

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Reply #207 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 5:12am
 
MOTR wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:59am:
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:51pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
If you want to ask a question - why don't you express it in coherent English and someone may answer it for you.


Followed by ...

rabbitoh07 wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 8:43pm:
What exactly is it do you want to know?


Grin

Remenber - you told us that the measurement of C12/C13 ratios in atmospheric CO2 is not credible evidence to demonstrate that majority of the increase in concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin.  You told us was not credible - and when asked to explain why it wasn't credible - you ran away, displyng your ignorance for all to see.

Are you ready to explain your statement to us yet?

Significantly, note that the ratio of C13 variability to CO2 variability is EXACTLY THE SAME as that seen in the trends!

BOTTOM LINE: If the C13/C12 relationship during NATURAL inter-annual variability is the same as that found for the trends, how can people claim that the trend signal is MANMADE??


Dr Spencer, climate scientist

From the content linked below

In other words - worse than unreliable


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/28/spencer-pt2-more-co2-peculiarities-the-c13...


Did Spencer ever get this work published in a peer reviewed paper, progs?

Claiming that atmospheric CO2 increase isn’t due to fossil-fuel burning is about as dumb as it gets. We know that the total human emissions of CO2 are far larger than total CO2 increase. This can only mean one thing, the net emission from other sources has been negative, while atmospheric CO2 has been rising.

Honestly, progs, we might as well be discussing whether the earth is flat.

Not real smart MOTR. Is that what you got from Spencer. Frig, you are getting worse. Nowhere did Spencer say any near what you just stated.
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Reply #208 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 5:19am
 
I wasnt having a go at Spencer, progs, I was having a go at you. Or have you conceded that the increase in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin. 

Sorry, progs, that's a direct question. I know how much you hate them, so I guess I shouldn't expect a response.

The only point I want to make about Spencer is that his maths is abysmal and I wouldn't be confident of any of his regression work. Get back to me when you can link us to something that has been through the peer review process.
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haha pechead getting dog piled

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