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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Time to boycott 2GB and all its sponsors. Reply #150 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:26am If you know nothing about it, why are you ridiculing Rabbitoh for accepting what seems to be the mainstream scientific position.
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Reply #151 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:26am:

If you know nothing about it, why are you ridiculing Rabbitoh for accepting what seems to be the mainstream scientific position.

Know nothing about what. If you are refering to that debate I linked, then the answer is because I only just found it (not refering to the 33 degrees assumptions, just a new debate found).

Nice try at evasion.

Did you understand why I said you also obviously obsess over co2 with you too thinking the earth would be 33 degrees cooler without co2.

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Reply #152 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 11:31am

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:26am:

If you know nothing about it, why are you ridiculing Rabbitoh for accepting what seems to be the mainstream scientific position.

Know nothing about what. If you are refering to that debate I linked, then the answer is because I only just found it (not refering to the 33 degrees assumptions, just a new debate found).

Nice try at evasion.

Did you understand why I said you also obviously obsess over co2 with you too thinking the earth would be 33 degrees cooler without co2.

Now you have lost me completely. What do you know nothing about? You imply that its ridiculous to accept the mainstream scientific position, yet the only thing you can post is an article you don't understand that was posted by a blogger that even your mate Watts refuses to publish. And what exactly do you believe I am evading. I do believe our planet would be about 33 degrees cooler if we did not have an atmosphere. If there is a serious scientific debate about this please link us to the peer reviewed papers, or at least a well argued scientific article that is not infested with ad hominems.

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Reply #153 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 11:37am

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:55am:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:34am:

That's pretty much what I was taught at school. Honestly, progs, you're the first person I've ever heard dispute it. How cold do you reckon it would be?

BTW, Rabbitoh has identified a number of climate forcings in his discussions with you about climate change. None of them fit with what we are seeing today. It is ridiculous for you to suggest he is ignoring them. How about you tell us how it is possible for the Arctic to be losing ice mass if the planet is not warming.

So even you are saying the earths temp would be 33 degrees cooler without co2. Can you confirm that is what you are saying.

You asked a question. You were given an answer.

If there were no CO2 in the atmosphere, the entire greenhouse effect would effectively not exist and the average temperature of the planet would drop to about -18degC. About 33 degrees cooler than present:

Atmospheric CO2: Principal Control Knob Governing Earth’s Temperature
Ample physical evidence shows that carbon dioxide (CO2) is the single most important climate-relevant greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere. This is because CO2, like ozone, N2O, CH4, and chlorofluorocarbons, does not condense and precipitate from the atmosphere at current climate temperatures, whereas water vapor can and does. Noncondensing greenhouse gases, which account for 25% of the total terrestrial greenhouse effect, thus serve to provide the stable temperature structure that sustains the current levels of atmospheric water vapor and clouds via feedback processes that account for the remaining 75% of the greenhouse effect. Without the radiative forcing supplied by CO2 and the other noncondensing greenhouse gases, the terrestrial greenhouse would collapse, plunging the global climate into an icebound Earth state.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6002/356

If you disagree with the answer I gave you - perhaps you would like to explain why? After all - it is only a hypothetical question which is impossible to give an exact and definitive answer for.

But I have given you an answer based on what science tells us. What are you basing your opinion on? What Alan Jones tells you?

BTW: We are still waiting for you to tell us what these "other factors" are that have cause the actic ice cap to decrease, global glacial mass balance to decrease and sea levels to rise if it isn't global warming.

What are these "other factors"?

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Reply #154 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 12:10pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 11:31am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:26am:

If you know nothing about it, why are you ridiculing Rabbitoh for accepting what seems to be the mainstream scientific position.

Know nothing about what. If you are refering to that debate I linked, then the answer is because I only just found it (not refering to the 33 degrees assumptions, just a new debate found).

Nice try at evasion.

Did you understand why I said you also obviously obsess over co2 with you too thinking the earth would be 33 degrees cooler without co2.

Now you have lost me completely. What do you know nothing about? You imply that its ridiculous to accept the mainstream scientific position, yet the only thing you can post is an article you don't understand that was posted by a blogger that even your mate Watts refuses to publish. And what exactly do you believe I am evading. I do believe our planet would be about 33 degrees cooler if we did not have an atmosphere. If there is a serious scientific debate about this please link us to the peer reviewed papers, or at least a well argued scientific article that is not infested with ad hominems.

There is no mainstream position you are following.

You are so caught up on co2, you cant see what is right in front of you. I am giving you a little leeway without riding you for what you will see as pretty duh moment for you. But for the 2 of you, I am shocked.

Stop obsessing about co2.

I am reluctant to give you a hint on this as it should be straight forward. I will give you another go.

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Reply #156 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 12:13pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 11:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:55am:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:34am:

That's pretty much what I was taught at school. Honestly, progs, you're the first person I've ever heard dispute it. How cold do you reckon it would be?

BTW, Rabbitoh has identified a number of climate forcings in his discussions with you about climate change. None of them fit with what we are seeing today. It is ridiculous for you to suggest he is ignoring them. How about you tell us how it is possible for the Arctic to be losing ice mass if the planet is not warming.

So even you are saying the earths temp would be 33 degrees cooler without co2. Can you confirm that is what you are saying.

You asked a question. You were given an answer.

If there were no CO2 in the atmosphere, the entire greenhouse effect would effectively not exist and the average temperature of the planet would drop to about -18degC. About 33 degrees cooler than present:

Atmospheric CO2: Principal Control Knob Governing Earth’s Temperature
Ample physical evidence shows that carbon dioxide (CO2) is the single most important climate-relevant greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere. This is because CO2, like ozone, N2O, CH4, and chlorofluorocarbons, does not condense and precipitate from the atmosphere at current climate temperatures, whereas water vapor can and does. Noncondensing greenhouse gases, which account for 25% of the total terrestrial greenhouse effect, thus serve to provide the stable temperature structure that sustains the current levels of atmospheric water vapor and clouds via feedback processes that account for the remaining 75% of the greenhouse effect. Without the radiative forcing supplied by CO2 and the other noncondensing greenhouse gases, the terrestrial greenhouse would collapse, plunging the global climate into an icebound Earth state.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6002/356

If you disagree with the answer I gave you - perhaps you would like to explain why? After all - it is only a hypothetical question which is impossible to give an exact and definitive answer for.

But I have given you an answer based on what science tells us. What are you basing your opinion on? What Alan Jones tells you?

BTW: We are still waiting for you to tell us what these "other factors" are that have cause the actic ice cap to decrease, global glacial mass balance to decrease and sea levels to rise if it isn't global warming.

What are these "other factors"?

oh dear. Look, this is embarrassing.

As I said in the last message to motr. I will give you one last chance to stop obsessing over co2. I just cant believe you 2 cant see this.

Just to add. I asked you to take out co2 as a static model without consequences. Co2 is not THE ATMOSPHERE. it is not THE greenhouse effect. It is part there of.

We dont need unsubstantiated or substansiated consequences that were purposely ask for you to avoid. For starters, plants would be dead without co2, life would not exist so I ask specifically not to go there.

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Reply #157 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 12:15pm

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 12:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 11:31am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am:

MOTR wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:26am:

If you know nothing about it, why are you ridiculing Rabbitoh for accepting what seems to be the mainstream scientific position.

Know nothing about what. If you are refering to that debate I linked, then the answer is because I only just found it (not refering to the 33 degrees assumptions, just a new debate found).

Nice try at evasion.

Did you understand why I said you also obviously obsess over co2 with you too thinking the earth would be 33 degrees cooler without co2.

Now you have lost me completely. What do you know nothing about? You imply that its ridiculous to accept the mainstream scientific position, yet the only thing you can post is an article you don't understand that was posted by a blogger that even your mate Watts refuses to publish. And what exactly do you believe I am evading. I do believe our planet would be about 33 degrees cooler if we did not have an atmosphere. If there is a serious scientific debate about this please link us to the peer reviewed papers, or at least a well argued scientific article that is not infested with ad hominems.

There is no mainstream position you are following.

You are so caught up on co2, you cant see what is right in front of you. I am giving you a little leeway without riding you for what you will see as pretty duh moment for you. But for the 2 of you, I am shocked.

Stop obsessing about co2.

I am reluctant to give you a hint on this as it should be straight forward. I will give you another go.

We are still waiting for you to tell us what these "other factors" are that have caused the actic ice cap to decrease, global glacial mass balance to decrease and sea levels to rise if it isn't global warming.

What are these "other factors"?

You have had your questions answered. How about you grow up a bit and start providing some answers of your own?

Is it because you have no idea what you are talking about?
I think we both know the answer to that - don't we.

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