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Reply #15 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:03am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:58am:
MOTR wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Today, or yesterday morning now, I had to stomach another Alan Jones non-apology. . Yesterday he took to the airwaves to defend himself against the the Australian Communications and Media Authority's ruling that he breached the broadcast code and must submit to ''factual accuracy'' training.

Jones told his listeners that he was in error when he claimed human  beings produce .001 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. He claimed that all along he knew that "human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air, not .001 per cent." His excuse was simple.  "It might have been a late night or a very busy morning. We cover a lot of territory here in this programme.''

Fair enough, I've heard  him on numerous occasions say that human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. I accept that he was confused and did not deliberately broadcast what he knew to be an inaccurate fact. So why am I seething with anger? Well, my anger stems from what he said next, "but I have offered the simple proposition on many occasions that if there is warming, how can the human beings be doing it when 97 per cent of carbon dioxide is produced by nature, 3 per cent by human beings." Certainly, the preposition on which he bases this proposition is, as Alan rightly suggests, uncontested. However, just as certainly, the proposition he proffers is moronic. While no credible scientist contests that human beings only produce 3% of the carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere, no credible scientist denies that human beings are responsible for the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 since industrialisation. This is simply because nature is currently emitting slightly less carbon dioxide than it is absorbing. That's right, Alan, natural processes aren't responsible for the current escalation, and if it wasn't for human beings, there would be 40% less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This too is an uncontested fact, an uncontested fact his listeners will never hear.

This has been explained to Alan on numerous occasions. I don't believe Alan is simple, so the only possible explanation is that he is lying by exclusion. The man is an amoral propagandist on par with Lord Haw Haw. The world is warming, we are responsible and the consequences of inaction are dire. In the year we broke the Arctic, it is time to hold accountable those who blatantly hide the truth from the public. I won't be purchasing products from anyone who wants to associate themselves with this man.


Maybe you'd like to explain to all us plebs why, if there has been such an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, global temperatures have not increased but have actually decreased for the past nearly two decades?

With regard to Alan Jones, the solution is simple. If you don't like him and/or what he has to say, turn off the radio or switch to another station, because no one is forcing you to listen to him. Calling for boycotts simply shows how narrow-minded you are and confirms that you're unwilling to listen to any point of view other than your own.





aint that a fact???? boycott. name calling and so it goes on..

they even admit to having their day ruined by HAVING to listen to him.. hilarious.

between gillard and MOTR it wont be long before we need their permission to change our mind.
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Reply #16 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:05am
 
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
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You're assuming every professional on the planet only does their job to benefit themselves and because this is so no data or any scientific discovery can ever be trusted from the time we first emerged from caves until the end of time. Or does this only apply to the experts in the field of climate change or any discovery that annoys those that benefit financially or politically from the status quo ?
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Well given just how the CULTURE OF ACADEMIA is sooo pro left worldwide, I dont believe that my statement right back there is out of line


We'll just ignore every scientific discovery since the dawn of mankind simply because you and Alan Jones think you have different political views to the professionals in the many fields of science.

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Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:09am
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:58am:
MOTR wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Today, or yesterday morning now, I had to stomach another Alan Jones non-apology. . Yesterday he took to the airwaves to defend himself against the the Australian Communications and Media Authority's ruling that he breached the broadcast code and must submit to ''factual accuracy'' training.

Jones told his listeners that he was in error when he claimed human  beings produce .001 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. He claimed that all along he knew that "human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air, not .001 per cent." His excuse was simple.  "It might have been a late night or a very busy morning. We cover a lot of territory here in this programme.''

Fair enough, I've heard  him on numerous occasions say that human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. I accept that he was confused and did not deliberately broadcast what he knew to be an inaccurate fact. So why am I seething with anger? Well, my anger stems from what he said next, "but I have offered the simple proposition on many occasions that if there is warming, how can the human beings be doing it when 97 per cent of carbon dioxide is produced by nature, 3 per cent by human beings." Certainly, the preposition on which he bases this proposition is, as Alan rightly suggests, uncontested. However, just as certainly, the proposition he proffers is moronic. While no credible scientist contests that human beings only produce 3% of the carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere, no credible scientist denies that human beings are responsible for the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 since industrialisation. This is simply because nature is currently emitting slightly less carbon dioxide than it is absorbing. That's right, Alan, natural processes aren't responsible for the current escalation, and if it wasn't for human beings, there would be 40% less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This too is an uncontested fact, an uncontested fact his listeners will never hear.

This has been explained to Alan on numerous occasions. I don't believe Alan is simple, so the only possible explanation is that he is lying by exclusion. The man is an amoral propagandist on par with Lord Haw Haw. The world is warming, we are responsible and the consequences of inaction are dire. In the year we broke the Arctic, it is time to hold accountable those who blatantly hide the truth from the public. I won't be purchasing products from anyone who wants to associate themselves with this man.


Maybe you'd like to explain to all us plebs why, if there has been such an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, global temperatures have not increased but have actually decreased for the past nearly two decades?

With regard to Alan Jones, the solution is simple. If you don't like him and/or what he has to say, turn off the radio or switch to another station, because no one is forcing you to listen to him. Calling for boycotts simply shows how narrow-minded you are and confirms that you're unwilling to listen to any point of view other than your own.


Its been explained to you by the experts for many years now so if you cant grasp the concept you only have yourself to blame


Yet there are plenty of other experts out there who claim otherwise. Some have lost jobs for speaking out against climate change. Jones had a point where he basically said that it's getting to a point where you don't just get shouted down for voicing your opposition to climate change - you get punished for it. You're clearly another narrow-minded individual unwilling to accept any point of view that conflicts with your own. I'll make up my own mind, so please don't think your comments influence my decisions in any way, shape or form.
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Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:10am
 
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We'll just ignore every scientific discovery since the dawn of mankind simply because you and Alan Jones think you have different political views to the professionals in the many fields of science.

 
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No, just scientific discoveries so vague and unclear in evidence like global warming by humans, and yet used politically by left leaning morons in politics that justifies WE NEED A NEW TAX, because of it


You have such an open mind, dont you adelcrow
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Reply #19 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:15am
 
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:10am:
No, just scientific discoveries so vague and unclear in evidence like global warming by humans, and yet used politically by left leaning morons in politics that justifies WE NEED A NEW TAX, because of it


You have such an open mind, dont you adelcrow
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I do tend to believe the experts when they tell me something..I use a plumber to fix my plumbing, a surgeon to operate when something goes wrong with my insides, a mechanic to service and fix my car and when it comes to climate science i trust those that study and work in the field.
I certainly wouldn't ignore the advice of an experienced bricklayer when it comes to building a wall and instead get Alan Jones around to give me a hand just because he assumes he knows everything.
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Reply #20 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:22am
 
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I do tend to believe the experts when they tell me something..I use a plumber to fix my plumbing, a surgeon to operate when something goes wrong with my insides, a mechanic to service and fix my car and when it comes to climate science i trust those that study and work in the field.
I certainly wouldn't ignore the advice of an experienced bricklayer when it comes to building a wall and instead get Alan Jones around to give me a hand just because he assumes he knows everything.
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Well adelcrow, I guess there isnt such a heated political climate behind some plumbers fixing a blocked toilet, nor a surgeon removing an appendix out AS MUCH AS THERE IS A HEATED POLITICAL CLIMATE AROUND GLOBAL WARMING.
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Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:24am
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:15am:
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:10am:
No, just scientific discoveries so vague and unclear in evidence like global warming by humans, and yet used politically by left leaning morons in politics that justifies WE NEED A NEW TAX, because of it


You have such an open mind, dont you adelcrow
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I do tend to believe the experts when they tell me something..I use a plumber to fix my plumbing, a surgeon to operate when something goes wrong with my insides, a mechanic to service and fix my car and when it comes to climate science i trust those that study and work in the field.
I certainly wouldn't ignore the advice of an experienced bricklayer when it comes to building a wall and instead get Alan Jones around to give me a hand just because he assumes he knows everything.


Oh, dang! Here I've been all these years using a glazier to fix my plumbing and I had my tonsils removed by a vet!!!
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Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:30am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Today, or yesterday morning now, I had to stomach another Alan Jones non-apology. . Yesterday he took to the airwaves to defend himself against the the Australian Communications and Media Authority's ruling that he breached the broadcast code and must submit to ''factual accuracy'' training.

Jones told his listeners that he was in error when he claimed human  beings produce .001 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. He claimed that all along he knew that "human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air, not .001 per cent." His excuse was simple.  "It might have been a late night or a very busy morning. We cover a lot of territory here in this programme.''

Fair enough, I've heard  him on numerous occasions say that human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. I accept that he was confused and did not deliberately broadcast what he knew to be an inaccurate fact. So why am I seething with anger? Well, my anger stems from what he said next, "but I have offered the simple proposition on many occasions that if there is warming, how can the human beings be doing it when 97 per cent of carbon dioxide is produced by nature, 3 per cent by human beings." Certainly, the preposition on which he bases this proposition is, as Alan rightly suggests, uncontested. However, just as certainly, the proposition he proffers is moronic. While no credible scientist contests that human beings only produce 3% of the carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere, no credible scientist denies that human beings are responsible for the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 since industrialisation. This is simply because nature is currently emitting slightly less carbon dioxide than it is absorbing. That's right, Alan, natural processes aren't responsible for the current escalation, and if it wasn't for human beings, there would be 40% less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This too is an uncontested fact, an uncontested fact his listeners will never hear.

This has been explained to Alan on numerous occasions. I don't believe Alan is simple, so the only possible explanation is that he is lying by exclusion. The man is an amoral propagandist on par with Lord Haw Haw. The world is warming, we are responsible and the consequences of inaction are dire. In the year we broke the Arctic, it is time to hold accountable those who blatantly hide the truth from the public. I won't be purchasing products from anyone who wants to associate themselves with this man.


Which begs the question:

Is 97% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere produced by nature?
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Reply #23 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:31am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:24am:
adelcrow wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:15am:
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:10am:
No, just scientific discoveries so vague and unclear in evidence like global warming by humans, and yet used politically by left leaning morons in politics that justifies WE NEED A NEW TAX, because of it


You have such an open mind, dont you adelcrow
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I do tend to believe the experts when they tell me something..I use a plumber to fix my plumbing, a surgeon to operate when something goes wrong with my insides, a mechanic to service and fix my car and when it comes to climate science i trust those that study and work in the field.
I certainly wouldn't ignore the advice of an experienced bricklayer when it comes to building a wall and instead get Alan Jones around to give me a hand just because he assumes he knows everything.


Oh, dang! Here I've been all these years using a glazier to fix my plumbing and I had my tonsils removed by a vet!!!


You take the advice of a politically biased shock jock when it comes to climate science over the experts with years of expertise in the field so it wouldn't surprise me  Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:34am
 
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:40am:
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Its been explained a million times by the worlds most respected experts in the field so if you and others cant grasp the concept its hardly anyone's fault but your own.



Yeah I guess adelcrow, YOU REPEAT A LIE LONG ENOUGH, it can become the truth




So is Allen telling a lie and hoping that it will become true or doesn't he lie?

If he doesn't lie then why did he have to apology for?


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Its been explained a million times by the worlds most respected experts in the field so if you and others cant grasp the concept its hardly anyone's fault but your own.



Adelcrow, you just demonstrated to me you have such an open mind to such brainwashing from these respected and possibly POLITICALLY MOTIVATED EXPERTS


So you have a open mind and you are not getting brain wash by known politically motivated experts
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Reply #25 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:41am
 
I have heard the Alan Jones show once in my life in the time it took for the cab to go from Ryde to the airport.

It was pretty ordinary - reminded me of listening to Radio 4 in England (average age of listener/caller = 82).

He just seemed angry about everything and the show had little substance.
Admittedly thats just one show but I am not sure what all the fuss is about.

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Reply #26 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:48am
 
John S wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:34am:
stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:40am:
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Its been explained a million times by the worlds most respected experts in the field so if you and others cant grasp the concept its hardly anyone's fault but your own.



Yeah I guess adelcrow, YOU REPEAT A LIE LONG ENOUGH, it can become the truth




So is Allen telling a lie and hoping that it will become true or doesn't he lie?

If he doesn't lie then why did he have to apology for?


stryder wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:43am:
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Its been explained a million times by the worlds most respected experts in the field so if you and others cant grasp the concept its hardly anyone's fault but your own.



Adelcrow, you just demonstrated to me you have such an open mind to such brainwashing from these respected and possibly POLITICALLY MOTIVATED EXPERTS


So you have a open mind and you are not getting brain wash by known politically motivated experts


We are all influenced in some way by the opinions of others but the fact still remains that it is far wiser to take the advice of experienced experts rather than that of politicians or shock jocks whos only qualifications are the ability to manipulate people for their own benefit..
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Reply #27 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:52am
 
Adel, I would like to think we make up our own mind based upon the impacts of a policy/policies on you.

If they take the words of a shock jock/commentator/newspaper/bloke in the pub on how they should vote - then frankly the person is an idiot and not worth talking about.
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Reply #28 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:04am
 
bambu wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 7:30am:
MOTR wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Today, or yesterday morning now, I had to stomach another Alan Jones non-apology. . Yesterday he took to the airwaves to defend himself against the the Australian Communications and Media Authority's ruling that he breached the broadcast code and must submit to ''factual accuracy'' training.

Jones told his listeners that he was in error when he claimed human  beings produce .001 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. He claimed that all along he knew that "human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air, not .001 per cent." His excuse was simple.  "It might have been a late night or a very busy morning. We cover a lot of territory here in this programme.''

Fair enough, I've heard  him on numerous occasions say that human beings produce 3 per cent of the carbon dioxide in the air. I accept that he was confused and did not deliberately broadcast what he knew to be an inaccurate fact. So why am I seething with anger? Well, my anger stems from what he said next, "but I have offered the simple proposition on many occasions that if there is warming, how can the human beings be doing it when 97 per cent of carbon dioxide is produced by nature, 3 per cent by human beings." Certainly, the preposition on which he bases this proposition is, as Alan rightly suggests, uncontested. However, just as certainly, the proposition he proffers is moronic. While no credible scientist contests that human beings only produce 3% of the carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere, no credible scientist denies that human beings are responsible for the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 since industrialisation. This is simply because nature is currently emitting slightly less carbon dioxide than it is absorbing. That's right, Alan, natural processes aren't responsible for the current escalation, and if it wasn't for human beings, there would be 40% less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This too is an uncontested fact, an uncontested fact his listeners will never hear.

This has been explained to Alan on numerous occasions. I don't believe Alan is simple, so the only possible explanation is that he is lying by exclusion. The man is an amoral propagandist on par with Lord Haw Haw. The world is warming, we are responsible and the consequences of inaction are dire. In the year we broke the Arctic, it is time to hold accountable those who blatantly hide the truth from the public. I won't be purchasing products from anyone who wants to associate themselves with this man.


Which begs the question:

Is 97% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere produced by nature?


Yes. It is an uncontested fact. I suggest you read my post again. It is also an uncontested fact that human beings are 100% responsible for the recent increase in atmospheric CO2. Since industrialisation began in the 18th century, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from about 280 to 390ppm, a rise of about 40%. The 3% is a red herring that Alan throws out to confuse his listeners. He is employing the same rhetorical device you just used. It really is deceitful.
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Reply #29 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:07am
 
I have always conceded that humans have played a role in climate change.

I just happen to think that as usual people are tinkering around the edges and not addressing the real problem.

The real problem has been the obscene rise in emissions 1970 - present day in China and India.
MOTR do you realize that if China continues at its rate and increases its emissions by 50% by 2030 (as predicted) there is "what the rest of the world does will be completely irrelevant" *

* World Institute of Climate Scientists, Tokura Tanaka.
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