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Reply #105 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 2:47am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 8:24pm:
MOTR wrote on Oct 20th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
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According to the Daily Mail on October 13, UK Met Office data showed global warming stopped 16 years ago. Not so, said Met Office one day later.



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If you were engaging in social media this past weekend, you might have found an October 13, 2012 article suggesting that global warming stopped 16 years ago. The article is here. David Rose of the Daily Mail wrote it. The article says the UK Met Office sent out a news release release saying its data showed that global warming has stopped and that there is no “discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.” It now comes to light that this information is not true. The UK Met Office did not release a statement suggesting that “global warming stopped 16 years ago.” The UK Met Office, in fact, disavows any association with Mr. Rose and his article and says it was never asked any questions regarding the actual science of climate change and global warming by Mr. Rose. On October 14, 2012 – one day after Mr. Rose’s article appeared in the Daily Mail – the UK Met Office released its own blog post discussing the issues with the Daily Mail article. It’s very interesting reading.


http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october...

http://en.es-static.us/upl/2012/10/warmest_years_on_record.png

Honestly, bambu, does it look like the decade 2000-2010 (red bars) is cooler than the previous decade 1990-1999(orange bars). It's time to boycott media that deliberately distorts the truth.

What you have is a graph full of homogenization and bias. This part of the temp record will eventually be fixed once the ideologues get thrown to the gutter where they belong.


You want us to believe their is some sort of conspiracy, that involves NASA, the US Navy, the Met Office, the IPCC, BOM, the American Meteorologist Society and a host of educational institutions and government agencies. Presumably you now want to include Mother Nature herself. If our satellite managers and thermometer readers are telling porkies how do you explain this?

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Reply #106 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:30am
 
Here we go, progs, have you got an answer yet?
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Reply #107 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:38am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:30am:
Here we go, progs, have you got an answer yet?

Ok, simply for you, the time the artic ice went lower than 2007, there was a deep low and major storm that broke up the ice. Now the ice is back faster than ever. Big deal. Catastrophy.

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/18/sea-ice-news-volume-3-number-15-arctic-ref...
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Reply #108 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:45am
 
When were the storms, progs. And how did the melt become so extensive without warming?
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Reply #109 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:48am
 
Why not just not listen to the show?

It would ensure you don't hear the program and also save all the time and energy on this fake, politically motivated outrage too.
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Reply #110 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:51am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:48am:
Why not just not listen to the show?

It would ensure you don't hear the program and also save all the time and energy on this fake, politically motivated outrage too.


My outrage is not faked, Andrei. When you discover the truth about global warming, you are going to be as pissed off as I am with those who have clouded the issues and worked aggressively against action.
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Reply #111 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:52am
 
LOL Buzz. The Guardian attacking the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday. What a shock.

The Daily Mail readership are decent ordinary families.

The Guardian are latte-sipping, sandal wearing poofters aloof to everyday life.
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Reply #112 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:58am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 9:45am:
When were the storms, progs. And how did the melt become so extensive without warming?

NASA gives an insight
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-seaicemin.html

With a bit of ifs and buts. The sea ice is and can be pretty thin. That is why boats can and do crush their way through it. But anyway, here is the quote in the article.

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"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice", Parkinson said. "But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."
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Reply #113 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:23am
 
Here are some more quotes, progs. All of them, including your Mr. Parkinson, concur it is the thinness of the ice.

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Comments from Arctic Experts
Several Arctic sea ice experts have weighed in on the record-breaking minimum in 2012 and the effects of the summer storm on this record.  According to NSIDC Director Mark Serreze,

"The previous record, set in 2007, occurred because of near perfect summer weather for melting ice. Apart from one big storm in early August, weather patterns this year were unremarkable. The ice is so thin and weak now, it doesn't matter how the winds blow."

NSIDC scientist Walt Meier said,

"...in the context of what's happened in the last several years and throughout the satellite record, it's an indication that the Arctic sea ice cover is fundamentally changing....The Arctic used to be dominated by multiyear ice, or ice that stayed around for several years.  Now it's becoming more of a seasonal ice cover and large areas are now prone to melting out in summer."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve (another NSIDC scientist) said,

"The acceleration of the loss of the extent of the ice is mostly because the ice has been so thin. This would explain why it has melted so much this year. By June the ice edge had pulled back to where it normally is in September,"

"The 2007 record was set when you had weather conditions which were perfect for melting. This year we didn't have those. It was mixed. So this suggests the ice has got to a point where it's so thin it doesn't matter what the weather is, it's going to melt in the summer. This could become the new normal"

NSIDC Arctic sea ice news and analysis:

"Other than the August storm, the pressure pattern in 2012 does not appear to have been as favorable in promoting ice loss as was the case in 2007, and yet a new record low occurred."

Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center said,

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice.  But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."

Paul A. Newman, chief scientist for Atmospheric Sciences at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center estimated that there have been about eight storms of similar strength during the month of August in the last 34 years of satellite records - one every 4 to 5 years.
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Reply #114 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:34am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Here are some more quotes, progs. All of them, including your Mr. Parkinson, concur it is the thinness of the ice.

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Comments from Arctic Experts
Several Arctic sea ice experts have weighed in on the record-breaking minimum in 2012 and the effects of the summer storm on this record.  According to NSIDC Director Mark Serreze,

"The previous record, set in 2007, occurred because of near perfect summer weather for melting ice. Apart from one big storm in early August, weather patterns this year were unremarkable. The ice is so thin and weak now, it doesn't matter how the winds blow."

NSIDC scientist Walt Meier said,

"...in the context of what's happened in the last several years and throughout the satellite record, it's an indication that the Arctic sea ice cover is fundamentally changing....The Arctic used to be dominated by multiyear ice, or ice that stayed around for several years.  Now it's becoming more of a seasonal ice cover and large areas are now prone to melting out in summer."

Dr. Julienne Stroeve (another NSIDC scientist) said,

"The acceleration of the loss of the extent of the ice is mostly because the ice has been so thin. This would explain why it has melted so much this year. By June the ice edge had pulled back to where it normally is in September,"

"The 2007 record was set when you had weather conditions which were perfect for melting. This year we didn't have those. It was mixed. So this suggests the ice has got to a point where it's so thin it doesn't matter what the weather is, it's going to melt in the summer. This could become the new normal"

NSIDC Arctic sea ice news and analysis:

"Other than the August storm, the pressure pattern in 2012 does not appear to have been as favorable in promoting ice loss as was the case in 2007, and yet a new record low occurred."

Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center said,

"The storm definitely seems to have played a role in this year's unusually large retreat of the ice.  But that exact same storm, had it occurred decades ago when the ice was thicker and more extensive, likely wouldn't have had as prominent an impact, because the ice wasn't as vulnerable then as it is now."

Paul A. Newman, chief scientist for Atmospheric Sciences at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center estimated that there have been about eight storms of similar strength during the month of August in the last 34 years of satellite records - one every 4 to 5 years.

who is mr parkinson and why do I own him?
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Reply #115 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:41am
 
You quoted him, progs, because you thought he was supporting your position. He was instead highlighting this inconvenient fact.

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Reply #116 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:44am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:41am:
You quoted him, progs, because you thought he was supporting your position. He was instead highlighting this inconvenient fact.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/sites/vancouverobserver.com/files/images/blog/b...

I quoted him for your benefit as you didnt seem to have a clue. As for his quote, I am not at all impressed with his prediction.
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Reply #117 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:01am
 
By the way it's Ms. Parkinson. She also had this to say:

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“Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions,” said Claire Parkinson, a climate researcher at NASA Goddard. “There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent.”


Why is that, progs. Do you think she believes this long term retreat can be explained by Arctic storms.

Have another go.
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Reply #118 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:06am
 
MOTR wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:01am:
By the way it's Ms. Parkinson. She also had this to say:

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“Climate models have predicted a retreat of the Arctic sea ice; but the actual retreat has proven to be much more rapid than the predictions,” said Claire Parkinson, a climate researcher at NASA Goddard. “There continues to be considerable inter-annual variability in the sea ice cover, but the long-term retreat is quite apparent.”


Why is that, progs. Do you think she believes this long term retreat can be explained by Arctic storms.

Have another go.

In other words, they got it wrong.
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Reply #119 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:09am
 
Yes, they underestimated the effect of the warming. It's why we can't risk putting too much more CO2 into the atmosphere, because we don't understand all the implications. We shouldn't be playing dice with our children's future. It's why we should be boycotting broadcasters who deliberately hide important facts and aggressively work against us taking action.
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