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Bertram Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 255	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #75 - Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:48pm i'm only 7 but even i wouldn't fall for this, emma. provocative.
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Reply #76 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:04am

i'm only 7 but even i wouldn't fall for this, emma. provocative.
- Bertram

I don't consider it provocative Bertram. You are much too cynical for a seven yr old.

I'd really like to understand where all this stuff comes from.

So far,,.... it seems to support my own view.

That FEAR rules most of these things, ultimately.
I don't think I ask too much of Abu. He has made statements, as have many others, and I can see the 'fear' in them, but i don't see Abu as fearful. So I wonder at the reasons for his identification as Aussie Muslim.
I am not about to descend on him with condemnation. I am trying to get a grip on all 'this'.

Unlike most others here.

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Reply #77 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08am

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36pm:

is that like saying hand instead of have a nice day? or gm for good morning and ga for good afternoon? i have never heard people abbreviating like that. can' muslims be bothered with saying the full thing? if this some sort of texting language like lol? pbuh. ronflmao? seems a bit perfunctory and so disrespectful.

In speech it is not abbreviated, only in writing. All writing is in effect codification of speech, so it is no more disrespectful than any writing is. I know what I mean, and that's what's important. I am wishing the peace and blessings of God upon him, and therefore my communication in those words is with God, not with you.

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Reply #78 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:12am

Emma wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:44pm:

So -- you were not indoctrinated, but you identify as Aussie Muslim. Was this a personal choice you made as an adult, ? Are you religious ?
Is it you identify same so as to generate discussion, or are you a 'Believer'?.

Right, I grew up in a household which had no connection with any religion at all. As an adult, I sought out religion and became a Muslim.

Emma wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:44pm:

Just interested you understand? I've never felt the 'need' to identify with a 'God'. I can see that it could be attractive,, .. to have the 'Rules' spelt out for you, ..but I don't really grasp the urgency and fervour that arises with such identification.

FYI - I have always felt that religious folk are weak and need someone to lead and show them their place in the world.

No offense.!

None taken. So did I, but I came to the realisation we all follow something anyway, if it's not an organised religion, then it will just be our own vain desires anyway. And I made the choice to follow that which I felt was correct.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #79 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:18am thank you for your response Abu. I can understand what you say, and it is the right of every human to choose their path. I make no further enquiry. For Bertram..... I think the ONLY positive way forward from here is RESPECT.
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Reply #80 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:26am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36pm:

is that like saying hand instead of have a nice day? or gm for good morning and ga for good afternoon? i have never heard people abbreviating like that. can' muslims be bothered with saying the full thing? if this some sort of texting language like lol? pbuh. ronflmao? seems a bit perfunctory and so disrespectful.

In speech it is not abbreviated, only in writing. All writing is in effect codification of speech, so it is no more disrespectful than any writing is. I know what I mean, and that's what's important. I am wishing the peace and blessings of God upon him, and therefore my communication in those words is with God, not with you.

does god need you to write pbuh because otherwise he wouldn't know what you are thinking? i think pbuh it is a gesture towards other people, not god. you are telling other people about your piety. god wouldn't need you to type out your piety either in full or abbreviated.

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Bertram Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 255	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #81 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:27am Emma wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:04am: So far,,.... it seems to support my own view. complecent.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #82 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:46am Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:27am: Emma wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:04am: So far,,.... it seems to support my own view. complecent. I don't know what that means...hold on , I'll check my dictionary.....................
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #83 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:48am Nope...not in my dictionary. Care to clarify?
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Reply #84 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 7:23am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:20pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:07pm:

travellers used to be expected to fit in with the laws and customs of wherever they were travelling. each commune had its well-established norms. everyone knew what they were. it is an abuse of hospitality to enter a commune and then trample on its laws and customs.

what would happen if hundreds of atheists marched through mecca or teheran demanding that their atheism be respect by the muslims? would the muslms say then what they are saying now? that the police should keep away? that people should respect atheists? that atheists have been marginalised and oppressed in saudi and iran for too long?
of course not.

Australia is not an Anglo land, Anglos have invaded this land and have trampled all over the people whose "commune" it actually is. So this kind of empty rhetoric doesn't really get you very far. An Anglo has no more of a right here than a Lebo, Turk or Eskimo.

That sums you up .

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Reply #85 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 11:58am

Emma wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Everybody comes with baggage.
Just not always your type of baggage.

Nail it's not nice to call anybody sh*t. I could say you are sh*t because you are a rabid rascist, who might even think they are a Christian, or NOT.
Christians are sh*t ...hypocritical warmongers who think the God Jehovah should hold sway.
Or sorry his divine Son, who rose from the dead. Grin

Now that's a deadhead idea isn't it?
What is the difference, --- it is all intolerant bias.

SEEING AS YOU DON'T ACT, AS CHRIST WOULD HAVE YOU DO. --YOU R NOT XTIAN. ( jeez I just figured out what an Xtian is.!!

I'm brilliant.

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You just hate everyone, right?

Soren is also reprehensible in his postings. He is Sh*t too.
Isn't it nice that people recognise you for what you are?? Wink

Look at the quote at the bottom of my posts. Does that quote suggest to you that I am a delusional god believer of any kind ??

As far as I am concerned anyone who is indoctrinated into believing that it is worth taking a life or lives for the sake of some old book or a comical video posted on youtube is sh.t in my opinion and we don't want them here !!

Fricken religious retards with their old books full of drivel Sad

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Reply #86 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:00pm

Big Dave wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 7:23am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:20pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:07pm:

travellers used to be expected to fit in with the laws and customs of wherever they were travelling. each commune had its well-established norms. everyone knew what they were. it is an abuse of hospitality to enter a commune and then trample on its laws and customs.

what would happen if hundreds of atheists marched through mecca or teheran demanding that their atheism be respect by the muslims? would the muslms say then what they are saying now? that the police should keep away? that people should respect atheists? that atheists have been marginalised and oppressed in saudi and iran for too long?
of course not.

Australia is not an Anglo land, Anglos have invaded this land and have trampled all over the people whose "commune" it actually is. So this kind of empty rhetoric doesn't really get you very far. An Anglo has no more of a right here than a Lebo, Turk or Eskimo.

That sums you up .

And another thing Abu, if it wasn't for anglo/celtic settlement and civilisation building in australia, you and your family wouldn't be here. In fact none of your muslim brothers and sisters would be here. They'd be sitting in some crap hole in the middle east. You owe everything to anglo/celtic settlement. Your food , your house, your education etc etc etc. Commune LOL!!!!

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Reply #87 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:02pm

Emma wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:18am:

thank you for your response Abu.

I can understand what you say, and it is the right of every human to choose their path.
I make no further enquiry.

For Bertram.....

I think the ONLY positive way forward from here is RESPECT.

respect for what ??

would you respect an adult who still believed in Santa Claus and the flying reindeer ??

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Reply #88 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 1:34pm

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:26am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36pm:

is that like saying hand instead of have a nice day? or gm for good morning and ga for good afternoon? i have never heard people abbreviating like that. can' muslims be bothered with saying the full thing? if this some sort of texting language like lol? pbuh. ronflmao? seems a bit perfunctory and so disrespectful.

In speech it is not abbreviated, only in writing. All writing is in effect codification of speech, so it is no more disrespectful than any writing is. I know what I mean, and that's what's important. I am wishing the peace and blessings of God upon him, and therefore my communication in those words is with God, not with you.

does god need you to write pbuh because otherwise he wouldn't know what you are thinking? i think pbuh it is a gesture towards other people, not god. you are telling other people about your piety. god wouldn't need you to type out your piety either in full or abbreviated.

Bertram,

Your statement reveals a clear-ness of thought.

Well done!

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Reply #89 - Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 1:49pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 1:34pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:26am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36pm:

is that like saying hand instead of have a nice day? or gm for good morning and ga for good afternoon? i have never heard people abbreviating like that. can' muslims be bothered with saying the full thing? if this some sort of texting language like lol? pbuh. ronflmao? seems a bit perfunctory and so disrespectful.

In speech it is not abbreviated, only in writing. All writing is in effect codification of speech, so it is no more disrespectful than any writing is. I know what I mean, and that's what's important. I am wishing the peace and blessings of God upon him, and therefore my communication in those words is with God, not with you.

does god need you to write pbuh because otherwise he wouldn't know what you are thinking? i think pbuh it is a gesture towards other people, not god. you are telling other people about your piety. god wouldn't need you to type out your piety either in full or abbreviated.

Bertram,

Your statement reveals a clear-ness of thought.

Well done!

it like "amen" and praying out loud huh? Oh and lets not forget "speaking in tongues". . . .

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