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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 109966 Melbourne Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #195 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:08am Big Dave wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:02am: Remember when those Taliban maggots blew up those buddhist statues in Aghanistan. Islam has been trashing other people religious sites for centuries. It's a religion that can't get along with other types of people. Probably why a moron like abu fell for it. And Abu ignored it.
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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #196 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:24am In the koran muslims are told to stick up for other muslims over the kafur if they are right or wrong. Abu can never have an impartial stance bobby. If he can't argue then he won't reply. Imagine having a moderator like that on here.
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Reply #197 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:30am

This is absolutely true, in our culture, people say they are sorry. Muslims never say they are sorry, except perhaps to other muslims. So no matter how badly you got them, caught them red handed, they will still point blank say it wasn't them, mistaken identity, its a conspiracy.

In our culture, becoming aggressive with people and violent means that people think you are an idiot. In the muslim culture, becoming aggressive and violent IS THE ARGUMENT - that is, I win because I am the most aggressive.

Muslim states never apologise, our Western states show their weakness by apologising at the drop of the hat.

Only strength will defeat Islam. No matter how you corner muslims, they are always their with a cover story, a denial, an excuse no matter how implausible. And this cover story or denial is now also peddalled usually by their treasonous allies the socialist left.

To give you an example, a muslim school transfers 16 million in State funding to some muslim brotherhood front. And then when this breaks as a story, we have Peter Garret on the news saying how the funding guidelines need to be clearer. What is clearer than saying, use the money for the school and dont steal from us? But the socialist left had the cover story on the news - straight away - which means that Islamic societies have infiltrated and have access to the highest areas of government to push their point of view, which is very scary.

The Sydney Morning Herald now does a puff propaganda piece for Islam, usually once a week now. It makes me sick.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #198 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:36am

Calanen wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:30am:

This is absolutely true, in our culture, people say they are sorry. Muslims never say they are sorry, except perhaps to other muslims. So no matter how badly you got them, caught them red handed, they will still point blank say it wasn't them, mistaken identity, its a conspiracy.

In our culture, becoming aggressive with people and violent means that people think you are an idiot. In the muslim culture, becoming aggressive and violent IS THE ARGUMENT - that is, I win because I am the most aggressive.

Muslim states never apologise, our Western states show their weakness by apologising at the drop of the hat.

Only strength will defeat Islam. No matter how you corner muslims, they are always their with a cover story, a denial, an excuse no matter how implausible. And this cover story or denial is now also peddalled usually by their treasonous allies the socialist left.

To give you an example, a muslim school transfers 16 million in State funding to some muslim brotherhood front. And then when this breaks as a story, we have Peter Garret on the news saying how the funding guidelines need to be clearer. What is clearer than saying, use the money for the school and dont steal from us? But the socialist left had the cover story on the news - straight away - which means that Islamic societies have infiltrated and have access to the highest areas of government to push their point of view, which is very scary.

The Sydney Morning Herald now does a puff propaganda piece for Islam, usually once a week now. It makes me sick.

All this is interesting coming from a guy who just got his pack of lies against Muslims uncovered. Where's your apology for the absolute crap you just fabricated about Islam?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 109966 Melbourne Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #199 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:03am Hi Abu, Will you apologise on behalf of all Muslims for the statues destroyed in Afghanistan?
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Reply #200 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:07am

Calanen wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:30am:

This is absolutely true, in our culture, people say they are sorry. Muslims never say they are sorry, except perhaps to other muslims. So no matter how badly you got them, caught them red handed, they will still point blank say it wasn't them, mistaken identity, its a conspiracy.

In our culture........

It is a case of 'us', and 'them'.

Western culture, is nothing like Arab/ISLAMIC culture, ....and it is a case of, 'never the twain shall meet'.

If we don't want Western culture to be destroyed, by Arab/ISLAMIC culture, then we must speak up, and condemn the lies which moslems speak.

WE MUST SHAME THEM [moslems], ...WITH THE TRUTH, ......ABOUT THEMSELVES.

not in the main JW article,
but a posting as a comment, by,
A_Nonny_Mouse | July 26, 2007 8:07 PM
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Shame vs. Guilt

The Western culture, is guilt based.
The Eastern culture is shame based.
For Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us.
The opposite of guilt is innocence.

If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty.

If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image.

The opposite of shame is honor.

You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/former-sydney-imam-who-produced-dvds-calling-f...iGoogle;
the difference between shame, and guilt based culture, islam

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"How to Beat Jihad

....Shame vs. Guilt
Islamic cultures are shame based. Shame is a painful experience. To avoid shame you have to hide the source of shame. This means you must protect the image. Your entire self esteem and self worth depends on that image. When you are shamed you become violence. Violence is one way we humans deal with shame.....
.....The Western culture, is guilt based. The Eastern culture is shame based. For us Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us.
The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty.
If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image. The opposite of shame is honor. You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person. In a shame based culture, wrong and right have no meaning. It is all about shame and honor. If the stain of shame is removed, even if it means the murder of your own daughter, honor is restored. These are two very different worldviews. Unless we understand them we will not be able to make sense of Muslims and their minds."

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #201 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:08am Abu is wrong by fact on several points.
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Reply #202 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:17am

Yadda wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:07am:

If we don't want Western culture to be destroyed, by Arab/ISLAMIC culture, then we must speak up, and condemn the lies which moslems speak.

CORRECTION....
If we don't want Western culture to be destroyed, by Arab/ISLAMIC culture, then we must speak up,

>> AND EXPOSE <<

, and condemn the lies which moslems speak.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #203 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:34am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:03am:

Hi Abu,
Will you apologise on behalf of all Muslims for the statues destroyed in Afghanistan?

Why would I apologise on behalf of all Muslims, if all Muslims did not do it? Pretty silly request if you ask me.

Anyway the statues were possessions of the Talibaan government, they were free to do with them as they pleased. Don't you worship the very concept of freedom? Isn't your motto "People should be free to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else"? The Talibaan didn't hurt anyone else by destroying the statues, so by your own belief, they were merely practising their freedom. And you don't believe in the concept of religious sanctity do you? So just like I'm sure you defend the rights of film makers and cartoonists to denigrate Islam, I'm sure you must therefore defend the rights of the Talibaan to demolish a few stone idols... right?

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Reply #204 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:38am

Taliban behave like typical Muslims with their treatment of women.

Females are second class in the Muslim world and are treated so as possessions.

We allow women in our army and they are very good too.
The Arab world sometimes does not even allow them to drive.

I know the Muslims and I know them well. I speak to hundreds of them everyday for 3 years. They are hate filled people for most parts.

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #205 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:42am So I suppose it should be alright for Israel to blow up mosques on their land. Abu thinks it's alright. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody and all.
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Reply #206 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:47am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:03am:

Hi Abu,
Will you apologise on behalf of all Muslims for the statues destroyed in Afghanistan?

Why would I apologise on behalf of all Muslims, if all Muslims did not do it? Pretty silly request if you ask me.

Anyway the statues were possessions of the Talibaan government,

they were free to do with them as they pleased.

Don't you worship the very concept of freedom?

Isn't your motto "People should be free to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else"?

The Talibaan didn't hurt anyone else by destroying the statues,

so by your own belief, they were merely practising their freedom.

And you don't believe in the concept of religious sanctity do you?

So just like I'm sure you defend the rights of film makers and cartoonists to denigrate Islam, I'm sure you must therefore defend the rights of the Talibaan to demolish a few stone idols...

right?

Abu,

Brilliant!

All syrupy, plausible moslem 'logic'/rhetoric, that nevertheless refuses to make one concession, and refuses to make one admittance of 'moslem' error.

Just another example of moslem; 'Par for the course', interaction with Allah's enemies.

Bravo!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #207 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:15pm Big Dave wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:42am: So I suppose it should be alright for Israel to blow up mosques on their land. Abu thinks it's alright. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody and all. "Israel" has no land. It is a foreign military installation squatting in someone else's land. It should be dismantled.
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Reply #208 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:22pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Big Dave wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:42am:

So I suppose it should be alright for Israel to blow up mosques on their land. Abu thinks it's alright. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody and all.

"Israel" has no land. It is a foreign military installation squatting in someone else's land. It should be dismantled.

Here is the problem.
How can you build a peace with such people?

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Bobby.

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Reply #209 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:03am:

Hi Abu,
Will you apologise on behalf of all Muslims for the statues destroyed in Afghanistan?

Why would I apologise on behalf of all Muslims, if all Muslims did not do it? Pretty silly request if you ask me.

Anyway the statues were possessions of the Talibaan government, they were free to do with them as they pleased. Don't you worship the very concept of freedom? Isn't your motto "People should be free to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else"? The Talibaan didn't hurt anyone else by destroying the statues, so by your own belief, they were merely practising their freedom. And you don't believe in the concept of religious sanctity do you? So just like I'm sure you defend the rights of film makers and cartoonists to denigrate Islam, I'm sure you must therefore defend the rights of the Talibaan to demolish a few stone idols... right?

Abu - you have shown no remorse for the destruction
of the ancient heritage of our planet.

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