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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #105 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 2:53pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 1:34pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:26am:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36pm:

is that like saying hand instead of have a nice day? or gm for good morning and ga for good afternoon? i have never heard people abbreviating like that. can' muslims be bothered with saying the full thing? if this some sort of texting language like lol? pbuh. ronflmao? seems a bit perfunctory and so disrespectful.

In speech it is not abbreviated, only in writing. All writing is in effect codification of speech, so it is no more disrespectful than any writing is. I know what I mean, and that's what's important. I am wishing the peace and blessings of God upon him, and therefore my communication in those words is with God, not with you.

does god need you to write pbuh because otherwise he wouldn't know what you are thinking? i think pbuh it is a gesture towards other people, not god. you are telling other people about your piety. god wouldn't need you to type out your piety either in full or abbreviated.

Bertram,

Your statement reveals a clear-ness of thought.

Well done!

it like "amen" and praying out loud huh? Oh and lets not forget "speaking in tongues". . . .

SOB

SPOT,

How are you ever going to maintain a relationship with anyone, if you are so, so, jealous [for even my affections] ???

Hmmmmm ?

You poor thing.

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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #106 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 11:46pm:

No raping and pillaging in Islam at all. If you're referring to war booty and concubines,

So why does Allah need 20% of all war booty abu, can you spin that for us ?

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And know that anything you obtain of war booty-, then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it.

http://quran.com/8/41

So why does Allah allow muslims to steal from non muslims Abu?

No, no, FD, you've got it all wrong, .....again!

Everything which the infidels have possession of [their lands, their houses, their possessions, their wives], already belongs to the moslems.

So, when a moslem takes anything from an infidel, the moslem is merely taking what is already 'lawfully' his.

Got it now ???

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As for concubines do you approve of they way Mohammad (pbuh) captured those jewish women Juwariya and Safiyya after attacking their tribes?

Do you expect a rational person to believe Juwariya and Safiyya consented to marry Mohammad on the very same day that muslims killed their husbands?

FD,

Moslems believe it.

Isn't that enough for you damned infidels ???
/sarc off

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Is there a verse in the bible where god says 20% of all war booty belongs to god?

No, there is not.

But there is a verse in the [OT] bible, which says that it is presumptuous of man to imagine that God requires any gifts from man,
.....because [God points out that] all of the earth [including the heavens], were created by God.

Arguing;
Q.
What can man possibly give to God, who created all things ?

And God tells man what he requires of man.....
A.
Respectful worship.

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Bertram Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 255	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #107 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm barry o'farrell praised the muslims for not rioting last week-end. it would be funny if it wasn't sad.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22599 A cat with a view	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #108 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 4:45pm Baron, FD, re my post #106, my mistake, i thought that the 'source' was a post by FD.
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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #109 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 4:58pm

Bertram wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

barry o'farrell praised the muslims for not rioting last week-end.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad.

Bertram,

IMO, not very much light can be seen, between a moslem, and your average [Western] pollie,
.....integrity wise.

Pollies are the peoples 'shepherds', of this modern age.

They are the self appointed 'stewards', of God's people.

And may God have mercy upon their souls. [.....but i am not hopeful!]

Ezekiel 34

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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #110 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 11:46pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 7:33pm:

So the government tricked 400 Muslims into marching behind the beheading posters?

Don't know where you got this from...

Perhaps you should have checked the post I was responding to. I did quote it for you. You complained about the government demonising muslims. Is it the government's fault that 400 Muslims marched through Sydney behind signs calling for murder? The government actually does its best to suck up to the Muslim community. Even if it didn't, it could hardly compete with Muslims themselves in making Muslims look evil.

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freediver wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 7:33pm:

I don't recall ever seeing 400 people march through Sydney calling for murder.

Neither do I.... when did this occur again?

At the Sydney protests. Are you another person who claims they know better than the protestors themselves what they were calling for?

freediver wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 7:33pm:

You also missed this Abu:

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2012 at 8:22am:

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It is inappropriate to display such signs in a country with a legal system that does not implement capital punishment, and which considers such punishment to be unjust.

Would it be appropriate in places like the US that do have capital punishment and consider it just?

Was there anything inappropriate about the reference to blasphemy, or was it only the reference to the punishment that was inappropriate?

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There's just simply no need for such signs, as the ones carrying them do not live under an Islamic system, and therefore even speaking about Islamic punishments is just nonsensical.

You speak about Islamic punishments here quite often. Do you make sense?

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The debate, in reality, is about peddling xenophobic garbage in order to justify the government's actions here and abroad.

So it has nothing to do with freedom of speech and blasphemy? It has nothing to do with that video that insulted Muhammed? Were the Muslims just pretending to be upset about that?

It may be more appropriate in the U.S, dunno. Are we in the U.S? Are you able to keep the conversation relevant?

Of course it is relevant. I am trying to figure out what exactly you consider inappropriate about the signs the protestors were marching with. The fact that we don't have capital punishment for other crimes seems like a technicality. Are you sure there is nothing else you consider inappropriate?

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I never spoke about Islamic punishments ever here. You are the one who spends an unnatural amount of your time trying to ignite conversations about them.

This is a politics forum on a politics website Abu. Crime and punishment is going to come up. It's not like this is an insignificant part of Islam. Like it or not, it is the bit that non-Muslims are most interested in, given the extreme political nature of Islam compared to other religions.

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Again... not really following.

You appeared to claim that you have not been indoctrinated into any religion and can view all religions in an unbiased manner.

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No raping and pillaging in Islam at all. If you're referring to war booty and concubines, then perhaps you've never actually read the Bible?

What were you saying about keeping it relevant? Are you now claiming that the bits in the Koran about raping and pillaging are not actually about raping and pillaging because other religions have them too?

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Pretty much every single head of state prophet in the Bible

Isn't this like me pretending that a reference to every non head of state prophet in the Koran is a reasonable generalisation?

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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #111 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

This is a very interesting point Abu. What is it about the video that winds Muslims up so much? The Danish cartoons sparked riots and murder too, but Jesus and Mo is so much funnier and more popular. Is someone telling the Muslims what to be angry about? Do they have a different sense of humour?

Amadd wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm:

It's pretty strange isn't it? ..that 'Jesus & Mo' has been amusing people for such a long time now with it's sharp witted humor, and yet a boorish 2nd rate attempt at a movie gets all the accolades.

Maybe the bike racks just don't understand that they've been a source of laughter for centuries Grin

Would you delete a link to the youtube video that sparked the protests too?

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #112 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:52pm seems we're being removed Soren GOOD CARTOON
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #113 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:54pm another good cartoon Suck it up ABU..... stop censoring this.......
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #114 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:58pm you must not try to suppress opinions... I'd ask you the replace the cartoon and cooments by Soren, which I affirmed. Else you are not for free speech and that would be a shame.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #115 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:59pm if you believe in your professed beliefs, what have you to fear?
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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #116 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 11:38pm

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

This is a very interesting point Abu. What is it about the video that winds Muslims up so much? The Danish cartoons sparked riots and murder too, but Jesus and Mo is so much funnier and more popular. Is someone telling the Muslims what to be angry about? Do they have a different sense of humour?

Would you delete a link to the youtube video that sparked the protests too?

Yes.

Any offensive material about any religion is not permitted in the Islamic forum. Please read the rules.

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Re: the Sydney protests
Reply #117 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 11:39pm

Emma wrote on Sep 25^th, 2012 at 9:58pm:

you must not try to suppress opinions... I'd ask you the replace the cartoon and cooments by Soren, which I affirmed. Else you are not for free speech and that would be a shame.

If you believe those cartoons are "opinions", then I can't really reason with you. They are nothing but trash, and the trash posting them does not deserve the time of day.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #118 - Sep 25^th, 2012 at 11:46pm so? they're trash opinions... no ..they are cartoons....BUT I really refer to the comments posted.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: the Sydney protests Reply #119 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 12:03am not to worry Abu... I think I understand your position.
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