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Reply #15 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:34pm:

How about you provide a link to a scientist using the word unprecedented in relation to this event. I bet you won't find one without a qualifier.

The qualifier is that they are a joke.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html

Here is the qualifier.

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For several days this month, Greenland's surface ice cover melted over a larger area than at any time in more than 30 years of satellite observations.

Did you read the article?

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Reply #16 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:34pm:

How about you provide a link to a scientist using the word unprecedented in relation to this event. I bet you won't find one without a qualifier.

The qualifier is that they are a joke.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html

Here is the qualifier.

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For several days this month, Greenland's surface ice cover melted over a larger area than at any time in more than 30 years of satellite observations.

Did you read the article?

So it is like a baby. Oh wow mummy, look at that. Well that is just grand. NASA the new baby with a toy. Wow NASA says, just dam WOW.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #17 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:06pm The point is that this is not being reported as an unprecedented event. It is unprecedented in the satellite record.
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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #18 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:16pm Wow 30 years of data, versus the ice cores, which is what has apparently told us has been happening every 150 years for a much longer period of time.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #19 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:17pm When did the last melt happen, Shane? These rare weather events are happening all over the shop. About time you started to connect the dots.
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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #20 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:18pm Approximately 150 years ago?
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #21 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:21pm Shane B wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Approximately 150 years ago? It's a pretty rare event. An event that will become much more common as global temperatures increase.
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Reply #22 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:54pm

Regarding the "right on time" aspect of this event. Sure, on AVERAGE it is a 150 year event and, sure, the last event was in the 1890's, but the one before it was over 800 years ago. This is an event that has occurred on twice since the Magna Carta was written and, unlike then, the region has undergone unprecedented warming and unprecedented long term ice loss. "Right on time" was an unfortunate faux pas on the part of GISS.

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Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:56pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Wow 30 years of data, versus the ice cores, which is what has apparently told us has been happening every 150 years for a much longer period of time.

No it doesn't. It tells us that over 10,000 years the events average out to 150 years but this type of event has only happened twice in the last 1000 years.

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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm: NASA the new baby with a toy. Wow NASA says, just dam WOW. It puzzles and amuses me to see deniers sneer at respected research institutions like NASA while uncritically believing everything they read in conspiracy theory denier blogs that they find on the internet.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:05pm This type of event obviously requires some rather unique weather features. Features that are more likely to occur with a warmer climate.
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Reply #26 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

NASA the new baby with a toy. Wow NASA says, just dam WOW.

It puzzles and amuses me to see deniers sneer at respected research institutions like NASA while uncritically believing everything they read in conspiracy theory denier blogs that they find on the internet.

It scares me.

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Reply #27 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

NASA the new baby with a toy. Wow NASA says, just dam WOW.

It puzzles and amuses me to see deniers sneer at respected research institutions like NASA while uncritically believing everything they read in conspiracy theory denier blogs that they find on the internet.

It scares me.

There's that too I guess.

It speaks to their ability to critically assess what is and isn't expert authority though, extremists like progressiveslol seems to do a good job of parodying the denial movement. I like to live in hope that the vast majority of people reading the sort of confused hysteria that seems to pass for an argument would recognise it for what it is.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Greenland Ice sheet Reply #28 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:20pm Yes, I didn't see the point in refuting clumsy nonsensical statements . I think most people will make their own interpretations. The joke comment about NASA was very ironical.
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Reply #29 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 10:17pm

Upton Sinclair wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

NASA the new baby with a toy. Wow NASA says, just dam WOW.

It puzzles and amuses me to see deniers sneer at respected research institutions like NASA while uncritically believing everything they read in conspiracy theory denier blogs that they find on the internet.

....they don't even believe it: they are simply giving themselves as much time to adjust business models as possible to stay on top of the chessboard of life.

Shame will bring them to heel eventually, but not until the richest are sure that they can stay rich in the new paradigm of business.

The carbon price will make this day come closer.

WE ARE SIMPLY DEALING WITH THE CONCEPT OF BUSINESS, AND THEREFORE INVESTOR, CERTAINTY

IT'S ALL BUSINESS... BUSINESS IS BUSINESS, SIMPLE!!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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