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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #15 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:00pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 10:56am:
The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us.

Anyone know why ?




He's "rolling back" his "repeal"
He doesn't NEED it
The 2013 Federal Election is HIS - in the bag


( ... note the word "problematic" creeping into the debate)




Opposition leader Tony Abbott will have difficulty repealing the carbon tax

July 02, 2012

INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie says it will become increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to abolish the carbon tax as Australians get used to it.

It comes as a group of big businesses publicly declared their support for the controversial tax.

Mr Wilkie says the coalition is not a certainty to win the next federal election but, if it does, it will face a battle to deliver on its promise to repeal the controversial tax.

''If the coalition win the election, and that's not a certainty, (it depends) whether or not they control the Senate,'' Mr Wilkie told reporters in Hobart.

''I think (it's) a bit like the GST - highly controversial but, once people have realised the sky hasn't fallen in, they see the sense in the reform, they live with it a while, I think it becomes increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to unwind it in the future.''




Mr Wilkie supported the carbon price and says many in his Tasmanian electorate of Denison, where he is riding high in a number of polls, are behind him.

On the first business day of the carbon tax, a a consortium of almost 300 big businesses, including Westpac, AGL, Unilever and GE, have signed a joint statement backing the tax and accused the coalition of creating uncertainty by promising to scrap it in government
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http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillard-upbeat-about-the-carbon-tax-despit...



And it will NEVER pass the Senate

( ... a new upper house doesn't sit until almost a year after being elected)


How's THIS for election policy ?

STOP charging the country's BIGGEST polluters for the privilege
CUT aged, disabled and carers pensions
INCREASE income tax to the nation's poorest


... all the while trying to convince the electorate that all these "massive" price increases, on every consumable, will miraculously fall in the same week ?





if you wanted a genuinely representative opinion of the electorate of Denison you wouldnt quote the candidate who finished THIRD and who seems to be almost without a spine in his dealings with Gillard. She has shafted him twice and he still worships at her feet.

he will not be missed.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #16 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Shane B wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
Just wait till those utility bills start rolling in.

There's plenty of mileage left in the carbon tax for Mr Abbott.


Not only that, but look at the spate of companies trying to rort the tax through increasing their prices. Just about every ALP policy that involves money gets rorted. One has to look no further than the BER, pink batts or set-top boxes. If Labor ran a company the way it runs this country, it'd have gone bankrupt ages ago or its shareholders would've staged a revolt.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #17 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 10:56am:
The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us.

Anyone know why ?




He's "rolling back" his "repeal"
He doesn't NEED it
The 2013 Federal Election is HIS - in the bag


( ... note the word "problematic" creeping into the debate)




Opposition leader Tony Abbott will have difficulty repealing the carbon tax

July 02, 2012

INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie says it will become increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to abolish the carbon tax as Australians get used to it.

It comes as a group of big businesses publicly declared their support for the controversial tax.

Mr Wilkie says the coalition is not a certainty to win the next federal election but, if it does, it will face a battle to deliver on its promise to repeal the controversial tax.

''If the coalition win the election, and that's not a certainty, (it depends) whether or not they control the Senate,'' Mr Wilkie told reporters in Hobart.

''I think (it's) a bit like the GST - highly controversial but, once people have realised the sky hasn't fallen in, they see the sense in the reform, they live with it a while, I think it becomes increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to unwind it in the future.''




Mr Wilkie supported the carbon price and says many in his Tasmanian electorate of Denison, where he is riding high in a number of polls, are behind him.

On the first business day of the carbon tax, a a consortium of almost 300 big businesses, including Westpac, AGL, Unilever and GE, have signed a joint statement backing the tax and accused the coalition of creating uncertainty by promising to scrap it in government
.


http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillard-upbeat-about-the-carbon-tax-despit...



And it will NEVER pass the Senate

( ... a new upper house doesn't sit until almost a year after being elected)


How's THIS for election policy ?

STOP charging the country's BIGGEST polluters for the privilege
CUT aged, disabled and carers pensions
INCREASE income tax to the nation's poorest


... all the while trying to convince the electorate that all these "massive" price increases, on every consumable, will miraculously fall in the same week ?





if you wanted a genuinely representative opinion of the electorate of Denison you wouldnt quote the candidate who finished THIRD and who seems to be almost without a spine in his dealings with Gillard. She has shafted him twice and he still worships at her feet.

he will not be missed.








Andrew Wilkie way ahead in local polling

June 29, 201212:00AM

BALANCE-OF-POWER independent Andrew Wilkie would easily win his Hobart seat if an election were held now, as he is the first choice of 40 per cent of his constituents.

The most comprehensive poll yet of his electorate of Denison, provided exclusively to The Australian yesterday, is larger than previous polls and, unlike some, clearly named him in the question, rather than referring only to "independents" or "others".


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/andrew-wilkie-way-ahead-in-loca...



In conjunction with The Australian, ReachTEL conducted a four-question survey of 644 residents in the Tasmanian Federal electorate of Denison on the night of the 27th June 2012. The results showed that Andrew Wilkie is well clear having doubled his primary vote since the 2010 Federal Election. In the same period, Labor has halved their primary vote thus avoiding the three-way race that occured at the election.

Key findings:
•Andrew Wilkie is well clear with 40% of the primary vote thus avoiding the three-way race that occurred in 2010.
•Since the Federal Election in 2010, Labor’s primary vote has halved while Andrew Wilkie’s vote has nearly doubled.
•Nearly two-thirds of the electorate prefer Julia Gillard as Prime Minister over Tony Abbott.


http://www.reachtel.com.au/blog/andrew-wilkie-well-clear-in-denison


His seat must be ( ... close to) the safest in Australia




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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #18 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm
 
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #19 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #20 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:16pm
 
The carbon tax is old news, now. Abbott has done his job. We don't want the carbon tax, we hate the carbon tax, and most of all, we hate being lied to. Labor is not the same party that I voted for in 1993 and 1998. They're not getting back my vote until they get rid of the rabble there now, and start all over again.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #21 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:20pm
 
john_g wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:16pm:
The carbon tax is old news, now. Abbott has done his job. We don't want the carbon tax, we hate the carbon tax, and most of all, we hate being lied to. Labor is not the same party that I voted for in 1993 and 1998. They're not getting back my vote until they get rid of the rabble there now, and start all over again.

With you on that 100%. If labor vote with liberals to get rid of the carbon tax, I will start to consider them again to some degree. Dont know what that degree is yet as I am not in the position to consider them at all. Get rid of the carbon tax labor.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #22 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #23 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:26pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.

No, the opposite to who the tax is suppose to help. Instead of helping Australians stand on their own, the carbon tax does the opposite and hurts Australia especially in terms to being the opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps Australians exports, hurts imports, a carbon tax helps imports, hurts exports.
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #24 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:35pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.



And you had a levy as well didn't you?

Taxes, tariffs, levies.

Remind me again why my take-home pay in the United States is so much higher than a guy earning the same as me in Australia??

Oh yeah - socialism.....
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #25 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:45pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.



And you had a levy as well didn't you?

Taxes, tariffs, levies.

Remind me again why my take-home pay in the United States is so much higher than a guy earning the same as me in Australia??

Oh yeah - socialism.....


We have: Health care.  Services.  Welfare.
You have:  Poverty, crime.

Hows Jail ?
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #26 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:54pm
 
john_g wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:16pm:
The carbon tax is old news, now. Abbott has done his job. We don't want the carbon tax, we hate the carbon tax, and most of all, we hate being lied to. Labor is not the same party that I voted for in 1993 and 1998. They're not getting back my vote until they get rid of the rabble there now, and start all over again.


you must really hate abbott then ...
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #27 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:56pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.



And you had a levy as well didn't you?

Taxes, tariffs, levies.

Remind me again why my take-home pay in the United States is so much higher than a guy earning the same as me in Australia??

Oh yeah - socialism.....


an anomoly .... you can't say that about your average US citizen though can you .... thats the ones with jobs at least ...

a little light reading for you ... don't strain whats left of your brain ... http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/australians-set-for-developed-world-s-big-pay-r...
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #28 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:56pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.



And you had a levy as well didn't you?

Taxes, tariffs, levies.

Remind me again why my take-home pay in the United States is so much higher than a guy earning the same as me in Australia??

Oh yeah - socialism.....


We have: Health care.  Services.  Welfare.
You have:  Poverty, crime.

Hows Jail ?


I have - healthcare, services and I dont need welfare.

Tell me again why in Australia I should be penalised for not having private healthcare but expect my taxes to go to paying for free healthcare for someone who pays in nothing?

The old something-for-nothing mindset again?
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #29 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 4:03pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:56pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:03pm:
Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?

I don't think so but yesterday he did say that it was the opposite of a tax.

Opposite of a tarriff. A tarriff helps us Australians. The carbon tax is the opposite to a tarriff, it hurts us while helping the importers and hurting exporters.

The carbon tax is the opposite of anything good for Australia.



Opposite of a tarriff

A tarrif is a tax, The opposite of a tax.



And you had a levy as well didn't you?

Taxes, tariffs, levies.

Remind me again why my take-home pay in the United States is so much higher than a guy earning the same as me in Australia??

Oh yeah - socialism.....


We have: Health care.  Services.  Welfare.
You have:  Poverty, crime.

Hows Jail ?


I have - healthcare, services and I dont need welfare.

Tell me again why in Australia I should be penalised for not having private healthcare but expect my taxes to go to paying for free healthcare for someone who pays in nothing?

The old something-for-nothing mindset again?


what about the rest of the US citizens ...how many are without basic health services?
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