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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ? Jul 10^th, 2012 at 10:56am The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us. Anyone know why ?
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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #2 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:42am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us.

Anyone know why ?

Because the opinion polling has not remotely moved on Labor and they have zero chance of retrieving the next election.

He's literally won the next election already so his work is pretty much done.

The media are also half doing his job for him too.

Gillard is a lame dead duck PM now and Labor have to decide whether the opinion polls are that bad that they ditch her before the next election - which has its pluses and minuses.

Put simply, Abbott doesn't need to say anymore on the subject.
The people dont like the tax, the media don't like the tax and the Labor Government are dead in the water already.

How bad have the polls been for Labor now?
This is pushing into its 3rd year of 30% levels....

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Reply #3 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:44am

Then add in the fact that the public are also very negative of Labor's inability to stop asylum boats coming to Australia and seem incapable of putting together a coherent policy.

People want leadership.

What was her latest idea?
We'll set up a committee.

In my company that is Grade A buck passing.

Hence why, Abbott is pretty much set already.

By any yardstick, this has been a terrible Government lacking in leadership and the polling reflects people's views of this.

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Reply #4 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:58am

"Boat people" has traditionally been the place the liberals go to when they have nothing else to complain about.

I suspect that is the case here. The Thompson case is old news. Slipper case is backfiring, and the carbon tax is undetectable in the public.

"Boat people" is their guaranteed fall back position. Whenever boat people are the news, you know the liberals have run out of stuff.

My question is, if Abbott cant get any mileage now out of the carbon tax, will he ever in the future ?
Is he scared it has exposed him as a liar ?

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Reply #5 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

So what if it is?

It's doing the job isn't it?

The carbon tax argument is done. People have a negative opinion about it and its not going to change anytime soon.
Boat people is Labor's achilles heel.
They are leaderless on the issue and its got great political mileage too.

Hence why, Abbott is making noises on that.

You can't say he's not done a good job. His primary polling is 48% and Labor is stuck down in the low 30s still.

He has been an excellent opposition leader - the Government have gone from crisis to crisis since the election and polled the lowest polls in history.

The carbon tax and boat people will win him the election.

For my mind, he has done his job very very well in that respect.

Gillard on the other hand, is having an absolutely shocking time. She can't get policies right on boat people and she can't connect with the people on the carbon tax.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ? Reply #6 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:13pm Just wait till those utility bills start rolling in. There's plenty of mileage left in the carbon tax for Mr Abbott.
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Reply #7 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us.

Anyone know why ?

Because the opinion polling has not remotely moved on Labor and they have zero chance of retrieving the next election.

He's literally won the next election already so his work is pretty much done.

The media are also half doing his job for him too.

Gillard is a lame dead duck PM now and Labor have to decide whether the opinion polls are that bad that they ditch her before the next election - which has its pluses and minuses.

Put simply, Abbott doesn't need to say anymore on the subject.
The people dont like the tax, the media don't like the tax and the Labor Government are dead in the water already.

How bad have the polls been for Labor now?
This is pushing into its 3rd year of 30% levels....

the polls haven't moved because everyone is still waiting for armageddon , the carbon tax was only out a few days at time of polling .... give them a little time to figure out abbotts full of crap.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ? Reply #8 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:20pm Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Just wait till those utility bills start rolling in. There's plenty of mileage left in the carbon tax for Mr Abbott. Before the carbon tax - my gas bill in winter in Melbourne was $500. Imagine when families get bills higher than that....
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Reply #9 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

So what if it is?

It's doing the job isn't it?

The carbon tax argument is done. People have a negative opinion about it and its not going to change anytime soon.
Boat people is Labor's achilles heel.
They are leaderless on the issue and its got great political mileage too.

Hence why, Abbott is making noises on that.

You can't say he's not done a good job. His primary polling is 48% and Labor is stuck down in the low 30s still.

Depends what you think his job is.

He is deliberately (along with the greens) blocking the most effective policy for reducing boats (ie send them back on a plane no questions asked), because its politically expedient for him to maximize boats and maximize deaths.

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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #10 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

The liberals seem deadly quiet on this tax that was supposed to destroy us.

Anyone know why ?

He's "rolling back" his "repeal"
He doesn't NEED it
The 2013 Federal Election is HIS - in the bag

( ... note the word "problematic" creeping into the debate)

Opposition leader Tony Abbott will have difficulty repealing the carbon tax

July 02, 2012

INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie says it will become increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to abolish the carbon tax as Australians get used to it.

It comes as a group of big businesses publicly declared their support for the controversial tax.

Mr Wilkie says the coalition is not a certainty to win the next federal election but, if it does, it will face a battle to deliver on its promise to repeal the controversial tax.

''If the coalition win the election, and that's not a certainty, (it depends) whether or not they control the Senate,'' Mr Wilkie told reporters in Hobart.

''I think (it's) a bit like the GST - highly controversial but, once people have realised the sky hasn't fallen in, they see the sense in the reform, they live with it a while, I think it becomes increasingly difficult for Tony Abbott to unwind it in the future.''

Mr Wilkie supported the carbon price and says many in his Tasmanian electorate of Denison, where he is riding high in a number of polls, are behind him.

On the first business day of the carbon tax, a a consortium of almost 300 big businesses, including Westpac, AGL, Unilever and GE, have signed a joint statement backing the tax and accused the coalition of creating uncertainty by promising to scrap it in government
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http://www.news.com.au/national/julia-gillard-upbeat-about-the-carbon-tax-despit...

And it will NEVER pass the Senate

( ... a new upper house doesn't sit until almost a year after being elected)

How's THIS for election policy ?

STOP charging the country's BIGGEST polluters for the privilege
CUT aged, disabled and carers pensions
INCREASE income tax to the nation's poorest

... all the while trying to convince the electorate that all these "massive" price increases, on every consumable, will miraculously fall in the same week ?

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Re: Has Abbott given up on the carbon tax ?
Reply #11 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Just wait till those utility bills start rolling in.

There's plenty of mileage left in the carbon tax for Mr Abbott.

Before the carbon tax - my gas bill in winter in Melbourne was $500.
Imagine when families get bills higher than that....

MY last electricity bill was a NEGATIVE $78.00

( ... but then again, I planned AHEAD)

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Reply #12 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Just wait till those utility bills start rolling in.

There's plenty of mileage left in the carbon tax for Mr Abbott.

Before the carbon tax - my gas bill in winter in Melbourne was $500.
Imagine when families get bills higher than that....

MY last electricity bill was a NEGATIVE $78.00

( ... but then again, I planned AHEAD)

NSW liberal party is determined to weed out those that planned ahead, and make sure it never happens again.

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Reply #13 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:52pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

So what if it is?

It's doing the job isn't it?

The carbon tax argument is done. People have a negative opinion about it and its not going to change anytime soon.
Boat people is Labor's achilles heel.
They are leaderless on the issue and its got great political mileage too.

Hence why, Abbott is making noises on that.

You can't say he's not done a good job. His primary polling is 48% and Labor is stuck down in the low 30s still.

He has been an excellent opposition leader - the Government have gone from crisis to crisis since the election and polled the lowest polls in history.

The carbon tax and boat people will win him the election.

For my mind, he has done his job very very well in that respect.

Gillard on the other hand, is having an absolutely shocking time. She can't get policies right on boat people and she can't connect with the people on the carbon tax.

What has anything in Australia got to do with you andrei?

You don't live here you NEVER paid your right amount of taxes when you were here.

So why don't you FCVK OFF and leave us alone we are sick of your whining all the time

here is a song just for you andrei

http://youtu.be/bRItQWztPCk

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Reply #14 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:57pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

"Boat people" has traditionally been the place the liberals go to when they have nothing else to complain about.

I suspect that is the case here. The Thompson case is old news. Slipper case is backfiring, and the carbon tax is undetectable in the public.

"Boat people" is their guaranteed fall back position. Whenever boat people are the news, you know the liberals have run out of stuff.

My question is, if Abbott cant get any mileage now out of the carbon tax, will he ever in the future ?
Is he scared it has exposed him as a liar ?

he seems to be doing pretty well without 'getting any mileage', in that case.

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