Longweekend, is this the sort of senator you would want in parliament?

ALP threat carries high risks



THE threat by ALP leaders to direct Labor preferences to the Liberals ahead of the Greens would have no impact in the House of Representatives. But it might cost the Greens a Senate seat or two - and give the Coalition control of the Senate.

If they mean it, it's a high-risk threat. Like them or loathe them, the Greens are Labor's ally. In 2010, 45 of Labor's 72 MPs won their seats on Green preferences. In the whole of Queensland, Western Australia, Tasmania and both territories, every Labor MP got there on Greens preferences.

Labor's tough guys brush aside the threat: except in five seats at most, Greens voters will ultimately have to choose between Labor and Tony Abbott. Election after election has shown that Greens how-to-vote cards make almost no difference: most Greens voters give their preferences to Labor whether told to or not.

But in the House, Labor's threat is hollow. In the handful of seats the Greens have a chance of winning, Labor preferences will not be distributed. In seats such as Melbourne, and at a stretch, Batman and Wills, the fight would be between the Greens and Labor. Liberal preferences would decide it.

The Senate is different. Given the size of the ballot paper, most of us tick the box for our party and its preferences, rather than fill out our own. In 2004, Labor preferences put Family First's Steve Fielding into the Senate instead of the Greens. They could do it again.

In 2010 it wouldn't have mattered. The Greens' vote hit record levels, and except in New South Wales, they won either a full quota or close to it. Where they got Labor preferences, they didn't need them. But if their vote falls a bit in 2013, Labor preferences could be crucial. If Labor and the Coalition swap preferences, they could limit the Greens to Tasmania and Victoria.

For Labor, the risk is that it could give the Coalition control of the Senate. Ultimately it has to decide which party is its real enemy - and which its ally.

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corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:15am:



So you support Family First, Abbott, and Labor by giving them both houses of parliament, pushing for creationism being taught in the science class?

mozzaok wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 11:23am:


and what you dont seem to realise is that Christiansa are EVERYWHERE in the major parties (not te Greens). So while you spend all your energies attacking Family First and the likes of Steve Fielding (who was unimpressive), the rest of the parliamentary christian fellowship takes its seats in the house and many make it to the top job. For example. Howard ias a christian and so is Abbott. And based on the performance of the avowed atheist Gillard - whose reign has been one screwup after another - perhaps you shoudl find some christans to vote for as well.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Christians are losers afraid to face reality, you fit the bill perfectly.

Better than the alternative. There is no way in hell that Labor, Liberal or the Greens are getting my Senate vote. I'm voting Turnbull in the lower house, and a minor party in the Senate, but definitely not the Greens.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:


No, I am voting specifically for Turnbull, because him to be a man of great integrity, honesty and he stands up for his values.
I will just put a 1 next to a party like the Christian Democrats or something like that.