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Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
Whaling: MPs call for 'diplomatic pressure' on South Korea


The coalition and the Greens have called on the government to pressure South Korea to abandon plans to resume whaling.



South Korea's plan to begin scientific whaling has been roundly condemned by the coalition and the Australian Greens, who want strong diplomatic pressure applied.

Opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt says the move is a complete surprise and a deep disappointment.

"The world is moving away from whaling, this is a practice of the past," Mr Hunt told ABC television on Thursday.

"We would roundly reject this and I think this is an area where there could be very strong bipartisan support in Australia to oppose the push for a renewal of whaling by South Korea."

Mr Hunt said he was confident Australia could work together with the South Koreans to discourage them from resuming the practice of whaling.

"I would hope that the Australian government is talking with the South Koreans today," he said.

"There should be no delay.

"There should be no half messages, what we need is complete clarity that this is an unacceptable practice and it's a negative step."

Kang Joon-Suk, the South Korean delegate to an International Whaling Commission (IWC) gathering in Panama, told the secretariat the government was considering conducting whaling for scientific research.

The government had conducted non-lethal sighting surveys of the whale population to assess the status of the stock in its waters but it alone could not identify the different whale stocks, he said.

The minke whale population had recovered since a whaling moratorium began, he said.

"As a result, fishermen in this area are consistently calling for limited whaling," he said.

"This is because they are experiencing disturbances in their fishing activities due to frequent occurrences of cetaceans in their fishing grounds and an increasing number of minke whales are eating away large amount of fish stocks which should be consumed by human being (sic)."

Dr Kang did not provide numbers, areas or a timeline for scientific whaling. But other delegates said they expected South Korea would target minke whales in the Sea of Japan, which Koreans call the East Sea.

The IWC has imposed a moratorium on commercial whaling since 1986 amid fears for the survival of the ocean giants.

But it appears South Korea will join Japan in exploiting a loophole that allows the killing of whales for scientific research.

South Korean delegates said they would submit future whaling plans to a scientific committee of the global body but were not looking for approval by other nations.

The announcement triggered criticism by delegates from Australia, New Zealand and other anti-whaling nations that have long been infuriated by Japan's whaling expeditions in Antarctic waters.

Another South Korean delegate, Park Jeong-Seok, said his country would submit its plans "in the spirit of trust, good faith and transparency" but stressed: "We are under no obligation to inform you in advance.

"As a responsible member of the commission, we do not accept any such categorical, absolute proposition that whales should not be killed or caught," he said.

"This is not a forum for moral debate. This is a forum for legal debate," Park said of the Western criticism.

"Such kind of moral preaching is not relevant or appropriate in this forum."

South Korea carried out scientific whaling for one season after the 1986 moratorium went into effect. Whale meat remains popular in the coastal town of Ulsan, which serves remains of whales "accidentally" caught in nets.

Kang Joon-Suk, the South Korean delegate to an International Whaling Commission (IWC) gathering in Panama, told the secretariat the government was considering conducting whaling for scientific research.

The government had conducted non-lethal sighting surveys of the whale population to assess the status of the stock in its waters but it alone could not identify the different whale stocks, he said.

The minke whale population had recovered since a whaling moratorium began, he said.

"As a result, fishermen in this area are consistently calling for limited whaling," he said.

"This is because they are experiencing disturbances in their fishing activities due to frequent occurrences of cetaceans in their fishing grounds and an increasing number of minke whales are eating away large amount of fish stocks which should be consumed by human being (sic)."

Dr Kang did not provide numbers, areas or a timeline for scientific whaling. But other delegates said they expected South Korea would target minke whales in the Sea of Japan, which Koreans call the East Sea.

The IWC has imposed a moratorium on commercial whaling since 1986 amid fears for the survival of the ocean giants.

But it appears South Korea will join Japan in exploiting a loophole that allows the killing of whales for scientific research.

South Korean delegates said they would submit future whaling plans to a scientific committee of the global body but were not looking for approval by other nations.

The announcement triggered criticism by delegates from Australia, New Zealand and other anti-whaling nations that have long been infuriated by Japan's whaling expeditions in Antarctic waters.

Another South Korean delegate, Park Jeong-Seok, said his country would submit its plans "in the spirit of trust, good faith and transparency" but stressed: "We are under no obligation to inform you in advance.

"As a responsible member of the commission, we do not accept any such categorical, absolute proposition that whales should not be killed or caught," he said.

"This is not a forum for moral debate. This is a forum for legal debate," Park said of the Western criticism.

"Such kind of moral preaching is not relevant or appropriate in this forum."

South Korea carried out scientific whaling for one season after the 1986 moratorium went into effect. Whale meat remains popular in the coastal town of Ulsan, which serves remains of whales "accidentally" caught in nets.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1666090/Whaling:-MPs-call-for-'diplomatic-pre...
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oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!
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Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:11am
 
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!

No, as long as the whales are ok, to hell with people. lol greens, such nutters.
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cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.

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____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.
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____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


what death at NAURU???? ok I wont expect an answer..

what torture on NAURU.. ok I wont expect an answer.

who spit in a childs face on NAURU  ok I wont expect an answer.


should we forget all those millions that died at Husseins hand before the War in Iraq... Ok I wont expect an answer




we havent forgotton its your idea to draw these boats to this country on false pretenses so they drown at sea..

it also is costing many millions and many lives but your so called phony tears dont make them feel a whole lot better.

if I wasnt so angry I would say you are a joke..


since when do you control any thread??? you are slipping you guys think you control everything.. mindless yes that says greens through and through..we have thought that for a loooooong long time
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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:29am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.


Yes. Tony Abbott and all of the Lieberal party apparently. After all, they DID vote together with the Greens.
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progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.




they love death human deaths n they must do... havent seen one thread created on the  subject of these boat drownings..yet we get the whales... yeah right..
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progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.



How can these people, that are risking their lives by getting on to leaky boats to find security, get here when Liberal and Labor just voted together to stop lifting Australia's combined intake from Malaysian and Indonesian refugee camps up from the total of 60, yes a minute number of 60 refugees.

How many years will it take to get to Australia when there are over 8000 just in Indonesia and Australia is taking around 30 a year.

How many years?

Why do you expect people to be imprisoned in refugee camps and left in limbo for the rest of their lives.

If you were in this situation, would you risk a breakout?

Lift the uptake and take away the desperation these people are experiencing.

Then less people will take risks that could cost them their lives.

If Lib Lab really cared about people drowning, then they would of lifted the intake.

So stop the croc tears. You righties love seeing people drown for political reasons.
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Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:33am
 
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
they love death human deaths n they must do... havent seen one thread created on the  subject of these boat drownings..yet we get the whales... yeah right..


Put your granny glasses on and have another look. Here's one that's been running for days: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340904189

If you're still not happy with that then start your own thread. Pretty simple, eh?
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Reply #10 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:28am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


what death at NAURU???? ok I wont expect an answer..

what torture on NAURU.. ok I wont expect an answer.

who spit in a childs face on NAURU  ok I wont expect an answer.


should we forget all those millions that died at Husseins hand before the War in Iraq... Ok I wont expect an answer




we havent forgotton its your idea to draw these boats to this country on false pretenses so they drown at sea..

it also is costing many millions and many lives but your so called phony tears dont make them feel a whole lot better.

if I wasnt so angry I would say you are a joke..


since when do you control any thread??? you are slipping you guys think you control everything.. mindless yes that says greens through and through..we have thought that for a loooooong long time


Liberal Supporters backed torture of children on Nauru. And Liberal supporters want to repeat this.

Liberal supporters, like you, are heartless cows.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/ruling-opens-door-for-nauru-class-action-20110905...
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Reply #11 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:38am
 
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:31am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.



How can these people, that are risking their lives by getting on to leaky boats to find security, get here when Liberal and Labor just voted together to stop lifting Australia's combined intake from Malaysian and Indonesian refugee camps up from the total of 60, yes a minute number of 60 refugees.

How many years will it take to get to Australia when there are over 8000 just in Indonesia and Australia is taking around 30 a year.

How many years?

Why do you expect people to be imprisoned in refugee camps and left in limbo for the rest of their lives.

If you were in this situation, would you risk a breakout?

Lift the uptake and take away the desperation these people are experiencing.

Then less people will take risks that could cost them their lives.

If Lib Lab really cared about people drowning, then they would of lifted the intake.

So stop the croc tears. You righties love seeing people drown for political reasons.

You are full of BS.

cant go past this stupid statement
in refugee camps and left in limbo for the rest of their lives.


You know that doesnt happen. How could you say in one thread that the pacific solution cant work because they all get to Australia, then we have your stupid statement that no-one gets anywhere and are left in limbo on nauru for the rest of their lives.

You are pathetic, just like the party you follow.
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Reply #12 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:40am
 
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.




they love death human deaths n they must do... havent seen one thread created on the  subject of these boat drownings..yet we get the whales... yeah right..



9 Dead from Nauru last time.

Do you support these deaths Cods.

How about the torture your lot inflicted on Nauru last time.

Do you support that torture?


How about the 1,000,000 civilan deaths and the mass fleeing your party helped cause in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How about you take some of the responsibility Cods.
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Reply #13 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:42am
 
Gist wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:33am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:30am:
they love death human deaths n they must do... havent seen one thread created on the  subject of these boat drownings..yet we get the whales... yeah right..


Put your granny glasses on and have another look. Here's one that's been running for days: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340904189

If you're still not happy with that then start your own thread. Pretty simple, eh?

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Reply #14 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:44am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:38am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:31am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:09am:
oh for a minute I thought the greens had the answer to people drownings..my mistake!



Take your crocodile tears and share them with all the dead people Howard's Nauru death camp created.

Take your crocodile tears and share them with the 1,000,000 plus civilans dead from your illegal Iraq war and the Afghan invasion.

Take your crocodile tears to the new Australian children, that were tortured on Nauru and look them in the face ... then spit in these children's faces.

You inhumane bxxxh.

No one has forgotten you, and your fellow hard right supporters supported Nauru persecution and torture on new Australians.

Now take your xenophobic small mindedness and piss off this thread.


Is there anyone else that supports the greens position that it is better for the asylum seekers to die at sea than it is to get them to orderly arrive at a country.



How can these people, that are risking their lives by getting on to leaky boats to find security, get here when Liberal and Labor just voted together to stop lifting Australia's combined intake from Malaysian and Indonesian refugee camps up from the total of 60, yes a minute number of 60 refugees.

How many years will it take to get to Australia when there are over 8000 just in Indonesia and Australia is taking around 30 a year.

How many years?

Why do you expect people to be imprisoned in refugee camps and left in limbo for the rest of their lives.

If you were in this situation, would you risk a breakout?

Lift the uptake and take away the desperation these people are experiencing.

Then less people will take risks that could cost them their lives.

If Lib Lab really cared about people drowning, then they would of lifted the intake.

So stop the croc tears. You righties love seeing people drown for political reasons.

You are full of BS.

cant go past this stupid statement
in refugee camps and left in limbo for the rest of their lives.


You know that doesnt happen. How could you say in one thread that the pacific solution cant work because they all get to Australia, then we have your stupid statement that no-one gets anywhere and are left in limbo on nauru for the rest of their lives.

You are pathetic, just like the party you follow.




Both Labor and Liberal voted down lifting Australia's apx 30 refugees a year from the 8000 plus refugee camp in Indonesia because both Labor and Liberal want to keep these people desperate and to keep demand high for the boat trafficers.

Lib and Lab want refugee persecution over a humane path.
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