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Jul 5th, 2012 at 1:10am
 
EVEN if the carbon price is repealed by a Tony Abbott government, it is likely to be brought back again within a few years, according to a survey of experts who work for the heaviest-polluting companies.

The latest study of expectations about the climate change laws, by the Australian National University's Crawford School of Public Policy, found 40 per cent thought the scheme would be repealed by 2016. But 79 per cent expected a price on carbon to be in force by 2020.

''An overwhelming majority think there will be a carbon price in the medium to long term, but more than half the experts from liable entities think the legislation will be repealed along the way,'' said the economist Frank Jotzo, the author of a report on the survey.

'It really puts the spotlight back on to the uncertainty that is dominating the area.''

The Opposition Leader, Mr Abbott, has given a ''blood pledge'' to repeal the carbon price scheme if elected, either with the support of a defeated Labor party or after a double dissolution election over the issue. The survey received 76 responses from big emitters, the carbon finance and investment sector and other experts.

Dr Jotzo said he did not claim the survey was representative of all companies liable for the tax, but that the respondents were responsible for more than half the emissions covered by the scheme.

Among the big emitting companies directly charged the $23-a-tonne tax, slightly more than half expect it to be rolled back. Big emitters paying the tax were twice as likely to believe the scheme would be repealed as investors.

Other findings included 70 per cent of those surveyed believed the bipartisan emissions target of a 5 per cent cut below 2000 emissions levels by 2020 would still be in place in 2015. A quarter thought the target would become more ambitious. Hardly any thought it would be scrapped.

Three-quarters did not expect the Australian scheme to have linked with the seven-year-old European system by 2018. However, 60 per cent thought Australian businesses would be trading carbon permits with Europeans by 2020.

Seven out of 10 representatives from the big emitters said their companies had already cut emissions in anticipation of the carbon price, and 84 per cent said they expected to make cuts over the next three years.

Dr Jotzo said it suggested big emitters were not holding back in starting to cut emissions, but the extent of the action was likely to be limited by uncertainty over its future.

The ANU report follows a survey by multinational GE and The Economist finding that three-quarters of senior executives polled expected the scheme to survive, but only a third believed the opportunities created by carbon pricing would outweigh the longer-term risks of the scheme.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/big-polluters-convinced-carbon-price-is-here-to-s...


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Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 7:50am
 
You're a fool.
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Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 7:52am
 
The poll says nearly 80% expect a carbon tax to be in force, not that they want it. Expectations and desires are entirely different things!
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Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 7:59am
 
They expect a price because they are rational. They know global warming is a reality and they know the price mechanism is the best way to deal with.

Can you name one business or country that is planning off the assumption that global warming is not real. I can name plenty that are.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:05am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 7:52am:
The poll says nearly 80% expect a carbon tax to be in force, not that they want it. Expectations and desires are entirely different things!



Even Mr Abbott thinks a carbon tax is logical.

So what is the purpose of repelling and then returning a carbon price?

How much money will it cost tax payers to try and repel via a DD and then court challenges and compensation payouts.

How much Liberals?
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MOTR wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 7:59am:
They expect a price because they are rational. They know global warming is a reality and they know the price mechanism is the best way to deal with.

Can you name one business or country that is planning off the assumption that global warming is not real. I can name plenty that are.


As I said, the poll stated that these people "expect" a carbon tax, not that they "want" it. Two entirely different things. If you'd asked me yesterday if I expect QLD to win the state of origin match last night, I'd have said yes I expect it but I hope not. See the difference now? This poll is hardly a ringing endorsement of the carbon tax and it does not say public opinion has shifted behind the carbon tax.
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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:10am
 
I'd say it's not a ringing endorsement of Tony's desire to remove the price on carbon.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

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Reply #7 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:32am
 
how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future.

you are a joke.
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Reply #8 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:34am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:32am:
how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future.

you are a joke.


is that like the imagining Whyalla would be wiped of the face of the earth?
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Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:43am
 
79% of crown Corporate executive employees surveyed is an irrelevant survey.   After repealing the Carbon Pricing will be subject to High Court class action against the Crown a citizens referendum - end of story, end of carbon price.  The crown may not act in a manner contrary to  the  rights and interests of citizens natural rights under  the law.  The rule of law, democracy, you know about that stuff.
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Reply #10 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:01am
 
The Crown is skating in thin ice with conspiracy to over turn the rule of law.
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Reply #11 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway.

Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again.
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progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am:
So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway.

Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again.



A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world?
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____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am:
So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway.

Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again.



A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world?

That is the only reason I would vote for a coalition government bringing in an ets. I would support that.
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Reply #14 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:26am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 8:32am:
how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future.

you are a joke.


Trying to predict the future? Whoa! Unheard of!!

NOBODY here would ever try to tell us the results for an election that's a couple of years off as though it's all done and dusted!

Would they??  Cheesy Cheesy
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