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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	2 easy to answer CT questions Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm 1. How much will the carbon tax increase the cost of a hamburger with the lot? 2. How will the world benefit in real terms from Australias proposed CO2 reductions?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #1 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:25pm 1 - it won't 2 - at the very least it will set an example for other countries to follow .. as an asthmatic it hopefully will reduce the crap in our air
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #2 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:27pm It will raise much needed money for the government. It will help to clear the air a bit.
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Reply #3 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:34pm

Is suggest anyone worried about the cost of a hamburger with the lot should avoid the lot and just get lettuce and tomato. You'll be doing yourself more good than not and save those pennies for something more worthwhile.

As for your latter question, it is so redundant. For one, what is the scope of the carbon tax? Secondly are you suggesting Noone should do anything unless everyone does everything? If we had it your way we would still be working out how to build a wheel.

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Reply #4 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:39pm

Why wont my hamburger increase, the fish and chip shop says their electricity will go up, the bakery that makes the bread rolls electricity will increase as will the mill that makes the flour for the bakery, what about the farmers that produce the lettuce tomatoes cheese onions and sauce for example all of their operating costs will increase, so surely the hamburger shop is going to have to pay more for its ingrediants?

Won't that equate into a higher priced hamburger??

or is the hamburger shop not going to pass on the increased costs?

My local take away store said pirces may go up 20-40 cents an item?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #5 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:41pm Even if it does work out to what they say and its only 1c in the dollar - thats a lot. 1c in every dollar of everything going up. SOB
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #6 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:43pm Your local TA will be making a handsome profit then. Probably from 30k net profit to $30005.
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Reply #7 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:46pm

The owner of the F&C shop said what everyone is overlooking is the supply chain price increases, he used the humble bread roll as an example.

The wheat farmer will pay more for fertizer/pesticides as the chemical companies will have ahigher cost, the tractors and freight will have ahigher cost as the petrol refineries will have a higher electricity cost. The mill will have a higher cost, the transport company will have a higher cost, the bakery will have a higher cost. So it only seems logical that the end user that is the public will pay more for a bread roll??

That is how it works doesn't it? Now do that with every item on ahamburger or pizza and tell me prices still wont rise??????????????

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #8 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm Yeah they were saying in question time that if a clothes shop puts up their prices to be suspicious. I immediately thought - but they pay for all the manufacturing of those clothes in the end. SOB
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: 2 easy to answer CT questions Reply #9 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:56pm it's only the top (approx) 300 polluters that pay the tax ... your local baker most likely wont be using them, or if he is he'll look for a cheaper alternative (whatyaknow, the tax works), petrol is exempt .... the guy that butters the bread certainly doesn't fall into the top 300 ....
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Reply #10 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:01pm

Petrol directly is exempt yes, but what about the massive amounts of electricity they use from CT liable power companies who will pass on the increased electricity prices to the oil refinery, wont the oil refinery now have an increase in operating costs? thus inturn increasing the cost of petrol to the service station, who inturn will have a higher operating costs to operate the service station as their electricity costs will increase to run the business and as they sell petrol wont that have to go up a few cents a litre to cover THEIR increased operating costs?

Or don't these businesses use electricty???

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Reply #11 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:06pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Petrol directly is exempt yes, but what about the massive amounts of electricity they use from CT liable power companies who will pass on the increased electricity prices to the oil refinery, wont the oil refinery now have an increase in operating costs? thus inturn increasing the cost of petrol to the service station, who inturn will have a higher operating costs to operate the service station as their electricity costs will increase to run the business and as they sell petrol wont that have to go up a few cents a litre to cover THEIR increased operating costs?

Or don't these businesses use electricty???

Oh gawd another moronic poster

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Reply #12 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:12pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm:

1. How much will the carbon tax increase the cost of a hamburger with the lot?

2. How will the world benefit in real terms from Australias proposed CO2 reductions?

Answer 1. A hamburger with the lot will increase by no more than .7%. If you have sauce it will go up by :23 and a half cents.

Answer 2. On July 2nd world temperatures will reduce by 8.4357 degrees.

Here's one for you: Why wasn't petrol included in the carbon tax net given it is a big polluter?

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Reply #13 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:20pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 6:46pm:

The owner of the F&C shop said what everyone is overlooking is the supply chain price increases, he used the humble bread roll as an example.

The wheat farmer will pay more for fertizer/pesticides as the chemical companies will have ahigher cost, the tractors and freight will have ahigher cost as the petrol refineries will have a higher electricity cost. The mill will have a higher cost, the transport company will have a higher cost, the bakery will have a higher cost. So it only seems logical that the end user that is the public will pay more for a bread roll??

That is how it works doesn't it? Now do that with every item on ahamburger or pizza and tell me prices still wont rise??????????????

Exactly - it's a snowball effect. Look at dairy farmers. They expect their electricity bill to rise by as much as 30% and they already pay tens of thousands of dollars a year. So they'll have to increase the price of milk to remain in business - or else go broke. That means it will cost milk distributors such as Dairy Farmers more to buy the milk and in turn, they will pass on the cost to supermarkets that buy the cartons of milk. Supermarkets will put up the price of milk because it costs them more to buy it and also because their own electricity prices have gone through the roof. Pretty simple, really. Gillard is either a liar in her assertions that the carbon tax will not be felt by anyone but big polluters or she has no freaking idea what the carbon tax will do to the economy.

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Reply #14 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:29pm

petrol was exepmpted as it would have been political suicide, unlike the carbon tax which is um political suicide.

Today I saw some figure.

Come 2020 our goal is to cut CO2 by 20 million tonnes,

China will increase CO2 6 fold to 120 BILLION tonnes, our 20 miilion tonne savings represents 0.0045% of Chinas emissions, so what we save over an entire year, China will emitt 39 hours.

So tell me agian how will this benefit the worlds climate?

And what this 10% of CT revenue is sent to the UN, whats that about?

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