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Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization
Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization, raids homes and mosques - NY Daily News

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By The Associated Press
Thursday, June 14, 2012, 10:47 AM

BERLIN — German authorities launched a nationwide crackdown Thursday on an ultraconservative Islamic organization, raiding homes, meeting halls and mosques, while banning one related group and opening in an investigation of two others.

Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich said he had banned the Salafist organization Millatu Ibrahim, saying that it has been calling on Muslims to fight against Germany’s “constitutional order.”

The raids, conducted by 850 police officers in seven of Germany’s 16 states, focused on two other groups — DawaFFM and DWR, whose initials are the German abbreviation for “The True Religion” — to determine whether evidence exists to ban them as well.

Friedrich said a “comprehensive collection of evidence” had been seized — videos, laptops, cellphones and other things. “All these things will be evaluated over the coming days, and we will see to what extent the evidence is sufficient to ban the two organizations which are being investigated,” he said.

Friedrich said authorities believed there are “preparations for the founding of replacement organizations” and warned that anyone who does so can expect to face prosecution.

"There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around...."

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Are some people and 'authorities' in the West, 'waking up' to ISLAM / moslems ??

The actions of >> MAINSTREAM << moslems in following the dictates of >> MAINSTREAM << ISLAM, as guests within non-moslem host nations = = sedition and treason, against those non-moslem states.

Dictionary;
dictate = =
1 state or order authoritatively. control or decisively affect; determine.
2 say or read aloud (words to be typed or written down).

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

And non, and on, and on it goes.......

ISLAM mandates a never ending enmity and hatred, from moslems, towards those who choose not to accept ISLAM [to towards those are not moslems].

WE [non-moslems] WILL NEVER, EVER, CHANGE THAT ASPECT OF ISLAM.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization Reply #1 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB
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Reply #2 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous.

SOB

Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities, ....for decades !!!

They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos.
/sarc off

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Re: Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization
Reply #4 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:32pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous.

SOB

Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities, ....for decades !!!

They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos.
/sarc off

Are they ultrarightwing? Really? Dont you think they are left wing? With their helping the homeless etc?

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Re: Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization
Reply #5 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:47pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous.

SOB

Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities, ....for decades !!!

They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos.
/sarc off

Are they ultrarightwing? Really? Dont you think they are left wing? With their helping the homeless etc?

SOB

Banging, their drums, and playing their trombones on the street, AND, reading their 'religious' bibles.

You can't get any more ultrarightwing than that SOB.

Reading bibles ???

Isn't that a dead 'give away' ???

Errr, ....ultraconservative !!

i.e.
People like you SOB, amaze me.

'Projecting' that there is a clear moral equivalency between
1/ moslems [who promote and encourage violence and murder, against 'unbelievers'], and
2/ Christians ?

SOB,

You are really, unhinged [i.e. you own an irrational mind].

OR, you are clearly, just another moslem.

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Reply #7 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

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Reply #8 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups.

The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

SOB

Hmmm.

I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'.

Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby.

I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly [and not 'behind closed doors'].

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Re: Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization
Reply #9 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:12pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups.

The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

SOB

Hmmm.

I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'.

Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby.

I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly [and not 'behind closed doors'].

Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really. Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1.

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Reply #10 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:38pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups.

The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

SOB

Hmmm.

I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'.

Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby.

I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly [and not 'behind closed doors'].

Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really.

Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1.

SOB

Self expression and open debate can act as a relief [safety] valve, in society.

But what you are proposing, is exactly what moslems also propose, which is;
That those who disagree with, or, 'insult' them or ISLAM, should not have a voice in society - AT ALL - i.e. moslems believe in teh total banning of the expression of all views which are deemed [by them!] to be un-ISLAMIC views.

That is why there is no healthy scrutiny of what 'ISLAMIC' potentates and dictators do [and of what they can do], once they seize power.

Political fascists kill their critics.

And, so too, ISLAMISTS also are want to kill their critics.

Because ISLAM too, is a form of political fascism.

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Reply #11 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:40pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups.

The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

SOB

Hmmm.

I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'.

Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby.

I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly [and not 'behind closed doors'].

Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really.

Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1.

SOB

Self expression and open debate can act as a relief [safety] valve, in society.

But what you are proposing, is exactly what moslems also propose, which is;
That those who disagree with, or, 'insult' them or ISLAM, should not have a voice in society - AT ALL - i.e. moslems believe in teh total banning of the expression of all views which are deemed [by them!] to be un-ISLAMIC views.

That is why there is no healthy scrutiny of what 'ISLAMIC' potentates and dictators do [and of what they can do], once they seize power.

Political fascists kill their critics.

And, so too, ISLAMISTS also are want to kill their critics.

Because ISLAM too, is a form of political fascism.

Yup. And by banning them they are doing exactly the same thing. Either ALL should be banned or none.

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Reply #12 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

Yes Yadda I agree it is about time we stopped anti democratic fascist muslims in their tracks. As most muslims are anarchists I would have no problem in banning islam and make it a punishable offence by law to practice it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/11/muslims-murder-2-childre...

We must ensure that the punishment is just and fair.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/local-news/trial-six-brierfield-men-accused-o...

We should not jump to conclusions. Or is that just jumping.

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Politics/Egypt-Politican-denies-he-was-...

We should not force them into something that they do not want.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/390397/forced-marriage-15-year-old-accuses-brothers-...

We must be honest in our dealings with them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156296/British-gangs-raping-sexually-ex...

We must allow them to pray as they wish.

http://www.mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4729:jan...

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Indonesia-Twenty-churches-face...

We have to purchase their products no matter who produces them or we will be called racist.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-283354-one-in-every-two-children-in-turkey-emplo...

But why is it that we have to put up with Hizb ut Tahrir when it has been prescribed as a terrorist organisation overseas, are we dickheads or what?

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Reply #13 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:05pm

The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans:

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Salafis came under scrutiny in Germany following a campaign to hand out free copies of the Noble Qur’an to educate Germans about Qur’an.

The campaign has sparked fury from German politicians, who accused Salafis of seeking to spread radicalization in the country.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/457577-germany-swoops-on-salafis.html

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Reply #14 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:05pm:

The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans:

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Salafis came under scrutiny in Germany following a campaign to hand out free copies of the Noble Qur’an to educate Germans about Qur’an.

The campaign has sparked fury from German politicians, who accused Salafis of seeking to spread radicalization in the country.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/457577-germany-swoops-on-salafis.html

I will put my hand up for one MILLION of them electricity is very expensive now and Queensland is bloody cold at the mo.

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