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Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
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Refugee advocates have attacked the federal opposition's proposal to penalise asylum seekers not carrying all documentation, saying it over-simplifies a complicated issue.

In a press conference in Sydney on Saturday, opposition leader Tony Abbott said asylum seekers believed to have destroyed their documents before arriving in Australia will earn a presumption against refugee status under a coalition government.

"Everyone who comes to Indonesia from Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan normally comes by plane, Mr Abbott said.

"So the vast majority of people have had documents before they got on the boats."

But Refugee Action Coalition Sydney spokesman Ian Rintoul said the comments were misleading.

"The issue of documentation is not as straight forward as the opposition is making out," he told AAP.

Mr Rintoul said many asylum seekers travelled by fake passports to Indonesia, which they destroyed on arrival in order to prevent any possible criminal proceedings.

Others destroyed valid passports in order to avoid being deported by the Indonesian government, he said.

"They may not have passports but they have other documentation, such as driver's licenses.


"People want to be identified because they can't be processed in Australia unless they are identified."

"It (the announcement) is all about the coalition painting a picture that a lot of people are trying to take advantage of Australia.

"There is no indication that this is the case.

"It is not easy to get refugee status in Australia."

He also rejected moves to review approvals of refugees and the establishment of a new integrity commissioner to audit all refugee decisions.
"This would just create another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy," he said.
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Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:46pm
 
So Rintoul is saying that they destroy their passport so their country of origin and deported back to their country - but they have a driver's license. Which identifies the country they are allowed to drive in. I wonder if it has their address and what sort of vehicle they can drive?

Rintoul is a tool

He accepts these people destroy their paperwork to engage in illegal activities and jump the queue. He abandons a group of rich people in favour of the poor people in the refugee queue.
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Reply #2 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:47pm
 
Hey Forrest, do you consider anyone who has a different opinion to you stupid? I suggest you look in a mirror ... oh wait, you can't see your reflection can you .... stupid is the title you gave this thread ... gives you no credibility .... ohh, you never had any did you?
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Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:49pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:47pm:
Hey Forrest, do you consider anyone who has a different opinion to you stupid? I suggest you look in a mirror ... oh wait, you can't see your reflection can you .... stupid is the title you gave this thread ... gives you no credibility .... ohh, you never had any did you?



When the facts are there in plain sight and they still talk as if it's not - they are moronic!!! Just like most lefties on here
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Reply #4 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 7:05pm
 

tony's ideas good.
No ID, get lost.
Come here illegally, get lost.
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Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
So Rintoul is saying that they destroy their passport so their country of origin and deported back to their country - but they have a driver's license. Which identifies the country they are allowed to drive in. I wonder if it has their address and what sort of vehicle they can drive?

So what if they have a driver's licence?  Other than being a form of proof of identity, which could be used for checking for a criminal history, it isn't much use to the Australian authorities.  It doesn't prove what nationality they are.  You're not suggesting that they be deported to a particular country just because they used to drive a car, truck or bus there are you?

Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
He accepts these people destroy their paperwork to engage in illegal activities

Where does he accept that or even mention it?  You are making up things as you go along.  Is your motto "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"?

Do you ever think before you post this sort of crap?

And, by the way, a presumption against refugee status because a person does not have documents is a breach of the Geneva Convention on Refugees.
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:28am
 
If you can't prove you are who you say you are, then bugger off. That's the gist of the message. About time someone had the balls to come out and propose it as policy. I wonder how many of the men on those boats had escaped during the mass escape from the prison in Afghanistan???
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Frances wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:18am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
So Rintoul is saying that they destroy their passport so their country of origin and deported back to their country - but they have a driver's license. Which identifies the country they are allowed to drive in. I wonder if it has their address and what sort of vehicle they can drive?

So what if they have a driver's licence?  Other than being a form of proof of identity, which could be used for checking for a criminal history, it isn't much use to the Australian authorities.  It doesn't prove what nationality they are.  You're not suggesting that they be deported to a particular country just because they used to drive a car, truck or bus there are you?
What's  driver's license? Its proof that you are allowed to drive in certain country. Generally its you country of origin.


Maqqa wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
He accepts these people destroy their paperwork to engage in illegal activities

Where does he accept that or even mention it?  You are making up things as you go along.  Is your motto "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"?
Mr Rintoul said many asylum seekers travelled by fake passports to Indonesia, which they destroyed on arrival in order to prevent any possible criminal proceedings.


Do you ever think before you post this sort of crap?
I often ask the same of the left


And, by the way, a presumption against refugee status because a person does not have documents is a breach of the Geneva Convention on Refugees.
Show me the exact ruling in the UN Convention that Abbott will be breaching.

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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:20am
 
Macca you can be an idiot sometimes ... my brother in law has a NSW license, but lives and resides in Norway .... Australia is certainly not his country of origin
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John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:20am:
Macca you can be an idiot sometimes ... my brother in law has a NSW license, but lives and resides in Norway .... Australia is certainly not his country of origin



You are an idiot all the time and there's a difference between third world countries compared to Aust and Norway

Plus we only have your word for it.
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Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:36am
 
thats your response? the response you give when your not giving a response ... you  are a politician aren't you?
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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:36am:
you  are a politician aren't you?


We only have his word for it....
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:28am:
If you can't prove you are who you say you are, then bugger off. That's the gist of the message. About time someone had the balls to come out and propose it as policy. I wonder how many of the men on those boats had escaped during the mass escape from the prison in Afghanistan???


The more stupid the idea, the more likely you are to think it's a great idea. What is it with you? Did someone whack you with the moron stick or something?

If someone turns up and you can't prove where they came from then how are you going to send them anywhere? What makes you think the country you're trying to send them to will be as stupid as you and actually take them?

Oh of course! They won't! Because they're NOT as stupid as you. DOH!

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Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:58am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:28am:
If you can't prove you are who you say you are, then bugger off. That's the gist of the message. About time someone had the balls to come out and propose it as policy. I wonder how many of the men on those boats had escaped during the mass escape from the prison in Afghanistan???


The more stupid the idea, the more likely you are to think it's a great idea. What is it with you? Did someone whack you with the moron stick or something?

If someone turns up and you can't prove where they came from then how are you going to send them anywhere? What makes you think the country you're trying to send them to will be as stupid as you and actually take them?

Oh of course! They won't! Because they're NOT as stupid as you. DOH!

Idiot.


You process them offshore and send a clear message if they don't have paperwork - you don't get a VISA

That's why the Pacific Solution worked so well.
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:28am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:00am:
Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:58am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:28am:
If you can't prove you are who you say you are, then bugger off. That's the gist of the message. About time someone had the balls to come out and propose it as policy. I wonder how many of the men on those boats had escaped during the mass escape from the prison in Afghanistan???


The more stupid the idea, the more likely you are to think it's a great idea. What is it with you? Did someone whack you with the moron stick or something?

If someone turns up and you can't prove where they came from then how are you going to send them anywhere? What makes you think the country you're trying to send them to will be as stupid as you and actually take them?

Oh of course! They won't! Because they're NOT as stupid as you. DOH!

Idiot.


You process them offshore and send a clear message if they don't have paperwork - you don't get a VISA

That's why the Pacific Solution worked so well.


But Abbott voted
NO
to offshore processing ......
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