Abu-Falah  ,if Islam did save the jews can you explain this verse?


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How is expelling the jews considered saving them?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 4:18pm:


This translation is inadequate. "Al-jazeera" in this hadeeth seems to refer to the Arab heartland, not the entire peninsular. 

For example, the Jews and Christians of Yemen were not expelled from what we call today "the Arab Peninsular".

This policy of Caliph Omar only affected a tiny percentage of Jews and Christians living within the gigantic Islamic state. I would estimate the number affected to be far less than 1%.

This prophesy was fulfilled when the Christians of Najran in Southern Arabia had broken treaties with the Islamic state by aligning themselves with the Byzantine Empire against the Islamic state, and also failing to fulfill their commitment under the treaty to abandon usury money-lending.

The Christians of Najran were transferred from barren lands in Southern Arabia and generously given more fertile lands in Syria. They were not killed or injured, and they were allowed to take all their property with them.

Jews and Christians were not expelled from the Islamic state, but were only transferred

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:43pm:


Soren, if you were transferred from New South Wales to Victoria, would that mean you were expelled from Australia?

Perhaps that's more "believable" for ya?

falah wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:34pm:


Yes whenever a verse makes Islam look bad then you can always claim mistranslation or taken out of context and hope the ignorant believe you
Why do muslims always seem to mistranslate verses falah, if Islam was perfected as the Quran claims then how is this possible?



If we search for "expel jews" at sunnah .com i wonder what we get-
http://www.sunnah.com/search/expel-jews

I wonder what we get when searching for kill jews-
http://www.sunnah.com/search/kill-jews
Gems like this-
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What about this verse falah how does this imply Islam saved the jews?
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It sounds like a cowardly surprise attack falah how can you claim self defense on this one?

Juwariya became Mohammads wife, she was already married her  husband was killed by muslims that day and Mohammad married her that same night.
Do you approve of capturing jewish women to make them your wife falah?

Did Mohammad save Juwariya by killing her husband and marrying her, is that how you think Islam saved the jews?

falah wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:



You are insane. Or you think everyone else is. Or both. Probably both.

Why would the Muslims 'tranfer' their enemies to Toorak and stay in Broadmeadows themselves?

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:


They were not expelled from the Islamic state at all though. They were merely relocated from one part of it to another. Don't they claim ash-Shaam is their homeland anyway? so they should've been happy with that, no?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:


So if Israel claimed ownership of all of the territory, there would be no problem with what they did?

So a peace treaty would fix everything?

Can you give an example of one single peace treaty made historically by a Muslim nation that they did not later break and blame on the other party? I believe it was Jews who often fell victim to these treaties, and to this day Muslims still use it as a demonstration of how treacherous the Jews are, without a hint of irony.