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Reply #150 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 11:18pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 10:08pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 10:02pm:
Read it again, when you see me pointing machine guns in the face of kids, and bulldozing their homes to make them my own, and herding them into refugee camps, then this kind of question will have some semblance of relevance. Until such a point in time, your questions just make you look like a prime grade A tosser.



More to the point: you and millions of other Muslims, hostile though you are, can and do live unmolested in the west. You do not need guns to defend yourselves, the law defends you. Nobody is lobbing crude rockets into Lakemba or Finsbury Park.

SO the question is very relevant and you dodge it precisely because it is relevant.


You're right soren, the Aussies aren't lobbing rockets into Lakemba... perhaps when they all get herded into refugee camps, and find Muslims living in their former homes, the thought might just cross their minds?

Please do tell me how you think you'd react if you ended up a refugee in your own land (or on the fringes of it), and some religious minority waltzed in and setup shop in your home? Think you might then be able to have just a drop of empathy with the former residents of Majd who are now refugees in Gaza, and who lob rockets at the Zionist outpost of Sderot that was bvuilt on top of Majd?

I'm just dying for a Zionist or Zionist-hanger-oner to answer this one for me. Not surprisingly none ever have... Perhaps you can be the first? since you're big on noting who does and doesn't dodge questions.


A couple of things, semi-randomly:
There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.
The Muslims also conquered that bit of territory and much else besides. SO don't get all huffy about a little bit of conquest off you.
You guys tried to kill off Israel a couple of times, unsuccessfully. Now they are well and truly in the majority there and the Arabs and the Muslims are the minority. How about you respect that?
Muslims are a minority everywhere in the west - but look at the demands they make wherever their numbers reach a couple of percent.
Elsewhere in the world? Muslim population of Thailand? 5 %. Phillipines? 5%. Is there bloody demand by  Muslims break-away territory? Yes. ANy other countries mired in conflict on account of their Muslim minority? yes. Palestine's jewish population in 1946? 30%. SO in a way they are not doing anything different to what Muslim have been and are doing.

You are just upset by being repaid in your own coin. And by the Jews. That's your big problem. When the Brits or the French took over large swathes of 'Muslim lands', it was no biggie by comparison. It's the Jews that you re all upset about. The jewish reconquista is contrary to what Mohammed said. Israel represents a cognitive dissonance for Muslims who cannot ever reconcile the actuality of Israel and the Koranic prophecy.


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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #151 - Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:22pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 9:21pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
Were they living in refugee camps prior to the wars?


I implore you, read the link.

freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
What about those who were born there?


If you're born in a military occupation outpost, that doesn't give you a legitimate right to stay in someone elses home, certainly not to control their homes, whilst they live in refugee camps. It might entitle you to seek asylum under those returning to their homes, but certainly not to maintain the military outpost.

Do you think for instance the children of Nazi occupiers of France, Poland etc. should have a right to maintain Nazi regimes in those countries, just because they were born there? Should the Polish and French have been denied the right to take their countries back, just so those children of Nazis could maintain Nazi regimes where they were born?

What kind of idiocy are you peddling here fd?

freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
Is this a good example of how Islam saved the Jews?


Is what a good example?


Abu, the Nazis lost the war. The Muslims lost their wars against Israel. Where the Germans got on with their lives, the Muslims wanted to keep losing the same war forever. Just be thankful that the Jews did not adopt Islamic standards and enslave the Palestinians and rape all the women, then re-write the history books to explain how Judaism saved the Muslims.
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Reply #152 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:16am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.


We consider them to have been Muslims. The ancient Hebrews have no more link to the modern day Jews than they do to the modern day Muslims and Arabs.

Likewise there were Canaanites, Jubusites, Philistines and all other kinds of Semitic peoples there before the Jews, most of whom today are part of the Arab/Muslim community, as are most of the Hebrew originally of Palestine as well.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
The Muslims also conquered that bit of territory and much else besides. SO don't get all huffy about a little bit of conquest off you.


Ditto for the OT account.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
You guys tried to kill off Israel a couple of times, unsuccessfully.


We did nothing of the kind. Those wars were between puppet nationalists, not between Muslims. When "Israel" has a war against the Muslims, she'll know about it, just like the Soviets & Yanks know about it.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Now they are well and truly in the majority there and the Arabs and the Muslims are the minority. How about you respect that?


No they are not.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Muslims are a minority everywhere in the west - but look at the demands they make wherever their numbers reach a couple of percent.


Well perhaps when we emulate your beloved Zionists, and boot you out of your own home, then you'll respect us?  Seems to me that's the kind of behaviour you condone and approve of. So I say good, get ready for more. Stop your whinging, and suck it up.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Elsewhere in the world? Muslim population of Thailand? 5 %. Phillipines? 5%. Is there bloody demand by  Muslims break-away territory? Yes. ANy other countries mired in conflict on account of their Muslim minority? yes. Palestine's jewish population in 1946? 30%. SO in a way they are not doing anything different to what Muslim have been and are doing.


Philipines was overrun by Christians. All of southern Philipines was originally part of Islamic Sultanate.

What was the population of Jews in 1900? Less than 2%.

Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
You are just upset by being repaid in your own coin. And by the Jews. That's your big problem. When the Brits or the French took over large swathes of 'Muslim lands', it was no biggie by comparison. It's the Jews that you re all upset about. The jewish reconquista is contrary to what Mohammed said. Israel represents a cognitive dissonance for Muslims who cannot ever reconcile the actuality of Israel and the Koranic prophecy.


Difference was Brits and French were just playing swashbucklers. They were there for a brief period, and so their presence was tolerated, knowing full well they weren't setting up shop there for good. The Zionist imposition was completely different, these mongrels actually got the idea they were gonna turf people out of their homes, and start squatting in them.

Again I ask you Soren, how would you react to that happening to your home? Please respond. If you can't, just admit you're a hypocritical loser and we'll move on.
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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #153 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 9:25am
 
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We consider them to have been Muslims.


LOL. I'm sure they appreciate that.

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The ancient Hebrews have no more link to the modern day Jews than they do to the modern day Muslims and Arabs.


Why not? Is Judaism not a link?

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We did nothing of the kind. Those wars were between puppet nationalists, not between Muslims. When "Israel" has a war against the Muslims, she'll know about it, just like the Soviets & Yanks know about it.


Ah yes, the glorious victory we have to look forward to, where Muslims destroy their own right to choose their own leaders and install another batch of dictators - only this time outsiders won't interfere and Muslims will finally have their shariah utopia, right Abu?

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No they are not.


Do you have the numbers Abu? When you say Muslims are the majority, is this because you consider Jews to be Muslims that just don't realise it yet?

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They were there for a brief period, and so their presence was tolerated, knowing full well they weren't setting up shop there for good.


Like Muslims tolerate them in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Reply #154 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 9:51am
 
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There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.


What makes you say that? Can you prove it? Without a religious text?

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Reply #155 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:26pm
 
Spot are you denying that there were Jews there, or just asking people to prove the obvious?
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Reply #156 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
Spot are you denying that there were Jews there, or just asking people to prove the obvious?


Im saying that just because a fairy story says the jews were in that location doesnt mean they were.

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Reply #158 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:31pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 9:51am:
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There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.


What makes you say that? Can you prove it? Without a religious text?

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Judea.



Google the word.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #159 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:39pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 9:51am:
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There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.


What makes you say that? Can you prove it? Without a religious text?

SOB



Judea.



Google the word.






Then again;

Moslems make an altogether different claim.....




Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed
March 15, 2007
"....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628



Temple Mount '100% Islamic'
June 01, 2008
"....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919



Who are ya gonna believe ?

Historic accounts, and history books ?

Or are you going to believe what moslems are going to tell you ?

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Reply #160 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Elsewhere in the world? Muslim population of Thailand? 5 %.


The three southern states were Muslim sultanates for centuries before the Thais invaded only about 100 years ago.

The Thai Buddhist terrorists invaded the three muslim-majority countries. The Muslims in those countries are resisting the Thai Buddhist terrorist occupation.



Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Phillipines? 5%.


Islam arrived in the Philippines peacefully about 400 years before the Christian terrorist invasion.

The British explorer William Dampier recorded that the island of Mindanao was a cosmopolitan Islamic sultanate 400 years ago, where many people were multi-lingual speaking Arabic, Malay and their local language.

Interestingly, William Dampier was amazed how the Muslim Filipinos bathed daily - something unheard of in Christian Europe at the time.

At the time that the Spanish Christian terrorists arrived in Philippines, the only organised areas of the Philippines were the sultanates of the Sulu Archipelago and the huge Island of Mindanao.

However, Islam had spread by this time into the north, with the modern capital, Manilla, deriving its name from the Arabic - Daru Emanillah (Home of the Belief in God). This was shortened by the Spanish Christian terrorists to Manila.

At the time of the Spanish Christian terrorist invasion, Manila was part of the Sulatanate of Brunei.

The Christians are invaders in the Philippines, many were forced by the Spanish to convert at the point of a sword.

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Reply #161 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:31pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 9:51am:
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There were Jews there a long time before any Muslims existed.


What makes you say that? Can you prove it? Without a religious text?

SOB



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Google the word.


You cant just answer a  question can you. Geez. Looks religion based to me. We shall see.

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Reply #162 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:51pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Elsewhere in the world? Muslim population of Thailand? 5 %.


The three southern states were Muslim sultanates for centuries before the Thais invaded only about 100 years ago.

The Thai Buddhist terrorists invaded the three muslim-majority countries.




The Muslims in those countries are resisting the Thai Buddhist terrorist occupation.






Yadda paraphrases......


"The Buddhists and Hindus in many Asian & S.E. Asian countries [e.g. Thailand Burma, Nepal, India] are resisting the current day moslem terrorist attempts to reoccupy lands that were [originally] not moslem lands."




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Reply #163 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:26pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
Spot are you denying that there were Jews there, or just asking people to prove the obvious?


Im saying that just because a fairy story says the jews were in that location doesnt mean they were.

SOB


Spot it is good to be open minded, but not so open minded that your brains fall out.
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Reply #164 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:52pm
 
[quote author=3B3C313C355D0 link=1338909288/160#160 date=1340682030

The three southern states were Muslim sultanates for centuries before the Thais invaded only about 100 years ago.

The Thai Buddhist terrorists invaded the three muslim-majority countries. The Muslims in those countries are resisting the Thai Buddhist terrorist occupation. [/quote]

Have just spent six weeks touring Thailand and Vietnam I can tell you that Buddhists were in Thai before the birth of Jesus. The Hindu religion somewhat later in the south (the areas you mention) was Hindu/Buddhist before islam was invented by your only prophet. 
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