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Reply #15 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:00pm
 
matty wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
Turnbull isn't coming back and Mr Abbott WILL be the next PM. It's really about time that many of you get over that.


Matty, are you prepared to confirm for the readers here that Mr Abbott has your full support as leader?
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Reply #16 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
____ wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:42pm:
Clive Palmer for PM

If we are to have an idiot, then let them be entertaining.



But Brown the clown has extincted himself
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Reply #17 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:00pm:
matty wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
Turnbull isn't coming back and Mr Abbott WILL be the next PM. It's really about time that many of you get over that.


Matty, are you prepared to confirm for the readers here that Mr Abbott has your full support as leader?


I thank you for your question, Karnal. It gives me the opportunity to say I have complete confidence in the member for Warringah. I think he is doing a fine job representing the people of his constituency in this place and raising their concerns in this parliament, as is appropriate for a local member. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come.
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Reply #18 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:12pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:17pm:
For a very long time now Australian politics have been a contest of the tail-enders (ratchets eyebrows), with We, The People of this great and future Republic having to choose which one we consider will do the least harm.

Fact is - in the last 30 odd years, both have done immeasurable harm - both economically and socially.  I was watching Q and A last night - and remain amazed that so very many people still think that living in Australia is living in paradise.  YES - it is - compared to many other nations - which is like saying that living in a sewer is better than being miles out to sea in the outfall....after processing - which, if you think about it, is a pretty fair summation of the current malaise of this country and its people.

In all honesty - I feel that the time is long overdue for some new political party blood, and I most definitely feel that the enormous number of quite disparate movements of discontent we have here at this moment are looking for a new direction - one as far away from the chicanery of both Labor and Coalition as possible.

I call these two the Tag Team - for the simple reason that one gives us a battering, then the other...and neither markedly improves the lot for the ordinary person by very much more than a little window dressing to cover up their own mistakes.

Gifts for increasing power costs due to Carbon Taxes cannot remove the fundamental flaw in the whole argument - we are the only country in the world doing anything at all about this - AND we are still equally culpable for global carbon increase (I fall short of utter belief in global warming and have many doubts there) and pollution for the simple reason that - regardless of where we off-shore all our own industries (and pay for the privilege with rising costs contrary to touted benefits) - we remain consumers of the same goods produced in the same dirty ways.

The real response to Australia 'leading the way' with a Carbon Tax on the pitiful remaining industries here is a lot like the laughter of the showground crowd at Babe running onto the paddock to herd the sheep....

This is political posturing on the world stage (well - how unusual!) - not a substantial gain for the Australian people.

All the respective 'policies' of both sides here have achieved is more of the same - golden opportunities for the well-heeled and the unscrupulous at the expense of the creation of yet another and lower class here - that of the Never-Will-Haves, who suffer endemic unemployment, total lack of real opportunities, and a total lack of any horizon at all.

Physicians - heal thyselves first!

"Day Three at this Test Match between Australia and the Rest of the World, with Australia having failed badly in the batting order, and now totally dependent on the tail end of Gillard and Abbott to pull something out of the hat.  On past form, there seems very little likelihood of Australia lasting the first session here today - Abbot has a string of failures to try to make up with the selectors, including the Hanson Test, while Gillard has never achieved a decent score once in her career and has been selected only because of her bowling well once in the Rudd Test, and remains a very unproven bat"......



Good post, Grappler.

I fear that many won't 'get it', though.
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Reply #19 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:13pm
 
matty wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:00pm:
matty wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
Turnbull isn't coming back and Mr Abbott WILL be the next PM. It's really about time that many of you get over that.


Matty, are you prepared to confirm for the readers here that Mr Abbott has your full support as leader?


I thank you for your question, Karnal. It gives me the opportunity to say I have complete confidence in the member for Warringah. I think he is doing a fine job representing the people of his constituency in this place and raising their concerns in this parliament, as is appropriate for a local member. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come.

Phony tony would get a lift in those budgie smugglers if he read your man crush comments.
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Reply #20 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:13pm
 
Thanks, Matty. If I could just qualify - does Mr Abbott have your support as the leader of the federal Coalition?
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Reply #21 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:18pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:00pm:
matty wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
Turnbull isn't coming back and Mr Abbott WILL be the next PM. It's really about time that many of you get over that.


Matty, are you prepared to confirm for the readers here that Mr Abbott has your full support as leader?




he has mine thats for sure... he is untried just like rudd was..

I believe in a fair go.. as it is gillard had many chances when she played PM.. when she was deputy and look what she did with it all.?????


hahahahaha..

will we ever recover from this govt????? it will be a long time companies are falling over like ten pins.. and the CARBON TAX hasnt even kicked in yet???? so they tell us.

personally I dont believe a word this govt tells me.
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Reply #22 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:20pm
 
What do you think, Angeleyes? Should Matty put his loyalty behind his leader?
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Reply #23 - May 29th, 2012 at 9:26pm
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Cods. Would you be prepared to vote for a younger, more untried leader than Mr Abbott?

Perhaps even someone not yet in parliament?

Perhaps even a young lady?
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Reply #24 - May 29th, 2012 at 10:49pm
 
Lets look at this discussion about Abbott and Gillard in perspective.

The leftards are so desperate that they will take any lead as a sign - hence clinging desperately to Gillard's preferred PM stats as their only shining light.

The reality is the only figure that really matters is the TPP preferred result. That determines the election. We have seen that a party can change its leader once it gets into power aka Rudd. So any attempt by the left to use the preferred PM number is a joke.

Lets look at the candidate and see why each are supposedly suitable or unsuitable.

Abbott has not done anything wrong. He's well qualified to lead. The only thing I've heard from the left about him being an unsuitable candidates are personal attacks. Or some veil accusations about policies which they know nothing about. That's it!!

Like yesterday Greens touting Turnbull as the person to lead the LIBs. The reason why Greens wants Turnbull to lead is because Turnbull supports a carbon tax whereas Abbott does not therefore he knows the Greens will be decimated by Abbott. So I ask him to back up his claims about Turnbull and he run away.

I am happy to debate policies - but can anyone make a logical point and present facts to back it up? Well I have not seen it! So lets see you leftards present a logical argument against Abbott and present facts backing it up.

As for Gillard. Yes I can present personal attacks. Plenty. But I choose not to because he policies and actions are sh it house.

So while I attack the ALP on policies and actions you attack Abbott at a personal level.

Why? So you can somehow justify you misplaced loyalties?

So lets see your arguments.

While I don't agree with everything mozz say - I do agree about the referencing. At least have something to back it up!!!
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Reply #25 - May 30th, 2012 at 7:25am
 
adelcrow wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 5:12pm:
If Abbott and Gillard are the best this country can do then we need to have a long hard look at ourselves.


Abbott is far more competent than Gillard. He's also a far better speaker and most importantly, doesn't break his promises - unlike Gillard. I'll take Abbott over Gillard any day.
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Reply #26 - May 30th, 2012 at 7:53am
 
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So, just what do you find so distasteful about the Greens?


I will have to look into them again. Like I said earlier prolly in another thread I researched them a few years ago and found their policies WORSE than lib or lab. Maybe greener but more restrictive. Some things I doubt will have changed. There will be less development going on - less new housing and retirement villages. There will be more laws on what color bins you have to use. Its different though. Maybe I will go read up on them again if theres any information around about their actual policies.

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Reply #27 - May 30th, 2012 at 8:57am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:20pm:
What do you think, Angeleyes? Should Matty put his loyalty behind his leader?


Sorry, Karnal, I think your phrasing is wrong and may perhaps be confusing matty. Surely your question should be "should matty stand behind Abbott and place his loyalty in his leader?"

I'm sure Abbott would deeply appreciate such a move from matty.
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Reply #28 - May 30th, 2012 at 9:03am
 
When it comes to leadership qualities personality, not policy, is the principal issue.

On those grounds, neither Gillard nor Abbott show the qualities required of a leader.

Abbott is an attack dog, a useful tool for a political party. He is not averse to fighting in the gutter and slinging mud. Unfortunately he is unable to resist continuing to do it and that is not a good look for a leader. His performance during the Thomson affair, where he finally had the sense to back off, is a major reason in his poor poll showing.

Gillard is a backroom operator, a skilled negotiator capable of twisting arms and doing deals. Again, useful skills but not the qualities required of a leader.

A leader should inspire people, not only their own team, but the voters at large. He/She should be someone most voters can feel some pride in even if they don't support specific policies.

The last true leader I can recall in either NZ or Australia was David Lange. He had many faults, but the day he took on the hawks in a nuclear weapons debate at the Oxford Union (and wiped the floor with them)was a moment of pride for every Kiwi no matter who you voted for.
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Reply #29 - May 30th, 2012 at 9:05am
 
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When it comes to leadership qualities personality, not policy, is the principal issue.


the saddest thing is you are prolly right. What a load of crap that is. It should be about policy not personality.

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