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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #30 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:40pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:35pm:

What is it with right-wingers that they think they know better than experts in the field.

Would you have trusted this man on say...WMD's in Iraq?

But suddenly he is the gospel, and no dissenting voices will be heard. The fact he agrees with your pre-conceived opinion wouldn't have anything to do with that, would it?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #31 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:42pm

Torture is just a pleasant way to while away the time for those in authority.

They used to use it to get you to confess fantasizing about one imaginary god so as to be saved by another.

Frankly that actually makes a hell of a lot more sense than this ticking time bomb sh!t.

People & Governments torture for,
A) Fun
B) To instill fear

The rest is just bullsh!t.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #32 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:43pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:35pm:

What is it with right-wingers that they think they know better than experts in the field.

Would you have trusted this man on say...WMD's in Iraq?

But suddenly he is the gospel, and no dissenting voices will be heard. The fact he agrees with your pre-conceived opinion wouldn't have anything to do with that, would it?

As you'll notice from my OP in this topic, I was on the fence on this issue. And still am to some degree, but leaning towards the CIA-mans view until other evidence is produced (which you arent providing)

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #33 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm

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Guantánamo Bay files: Torture gets results, US military insists

Camp X-ray authorities defiant in face of official criticism, arguing 'harsh interrogation' yielded valuable leads from 9/11 suspects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-qahtani-salahi-tort...

Well whadda ya know - now it's one "appeal to authority" fallacy a piece.

Stalemate.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #34 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:50pm At times torture is justified and has my support. The safety of the people overrides civil liberties of the individual.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #35 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:14pm ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. Once you resolve to engage in torture what is left worth defending? Once you resolve to engage in torture what is left worth defending? Once you resolve to engage in torture what is left worth defending?
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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #36 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:21am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:50pm:

At times torture is justified and has my support.

The safety of the people overrides civil liberties of the individual.

The short path to totalitarianism and dictatorship. The argument of people who would rather be "safe" than free. Once you start down that road there is no stopping.

Apart from the issue of morality and civilised behaviour, torture fails because it seldom, if ever, produces reliable intelligence, for obvious reasons.

Under torture a prisoner will say whatever he thinks his interrogators want to hear. If he doesn't have the information, he'll make it up.

And if he is a trained terrorist he will be able to resist torture, or figure out how to drip feed just enough information to keep his torturers happy.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #37 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:25am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:50pm: At times torture is justified and has my support. The safety of the people overrides civil liberties of the individual. So what process do you use to justify certain times?
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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:16am

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

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Guantánamo Bay files: Torture gets results, US military insists

Camp X-ray authorities defiant in face of official criticism, arguing 'harsh interrogation' yielded valuable leads from 9/11 suspects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-qahtani-salahi-tort...

Well whadda ya know - now it's one "appeal to authority" fallacy a piece.

Stalemate.

This is what the cia guy on Q&A said. The only people supporting torture are the people who originally authorised it, so as not to tarnish their legacy.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #39 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:18am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:16am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Quote:

Guantánamo Bay files: Torture gets results, US military insists

Camp X-ray authorities defiant in face of official criticism, arguing 'harsh interrogation' yielded valuable leads from 9/11 suspects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-qahtani-salahi-tort...

Well whadda ya know - now it's one "appeal to authority" fallacy a piece.

Stalemate.

This is what the cia guy on Q&A said. The only people supporting torture are the people who originally authorised it, so as not to tarnish their legacy.

I think it's above his capacity to speak in such absolutes.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:34am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:16am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Quote:

Guantánamo Bay files: Torture gets results, US military insists

Camp X-ray authorities defiant in face of official criticism, arguing 'harsh interrogation' yielded valuable leads from 9/11 suspects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-qahtani-salahi-tort...

Well whadda ya know - now it's one "appeal to authority" fallacy a piece.

Stalemate.

This is what the cia guy on Q&A said. The only people supporting torture are the people who originally authorised it, so as not to tarnish their legacy.

Those and a few other nut jobs. Well, you'd have to be to nutty, wouldn't you?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:38am

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:16am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Quote:

Guantánamo Bay files: Torture gets results, US military insists

Camp X-ray authorities defiant in face of official criticism, arguing 'harsh interrogation' yielded valuable leads from 9/11 suspects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-qahtani-salahi-tort...

Well whadda ya know - now it's one "appeal to authority" fallacy a piece.

Stalemate.

This is what the cia guy on Q&A said. The only people supporting torture are the people who originally authorised it, so as not to tarnish their legacy.

And another group - did he say "and their patsys" or something like that?

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:43am As an aside, wasnt Q&A great without any politicians on!
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