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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:39am

Peter Freedman wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:10am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Torture gets results. Morals don't.

What results has torture got ?

You think the findings of all military/intelligence interrogations are printed in the local paper for your reading pleasure? Roll Eyes

If that posting was a horse you'd have to shoot it....

So you have no idea why you think the way you do, but you still think it. That makes sense.

Tolerator is a brain washed sheeple. I think he listens to Alan Jones too much.

The reason that the US continue with torture is that they can't lose face. Under Obama more detainees have been killed than under George W Bush, better dead than make him look like a fool.

Watch this from people who know about torture.

http://assange.rt.com/begg-qureshi-episode-five/

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:54am What are the ratios of innocent/guilty in torture cases? The CIA agent said he believes the person he was ordered to torture was actually innocent. A lot of military people have said that torture does not work and just encourages the enemy to employ similar methods.
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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:58am

Evil islamic extremist christian racist has a dastradly scheme - a small nuclear device planted at the AFL grand final battered women and puppy dog refuge. The only thing that can stop detonation is the disarmament code, that only he knows.

You've tried saying "please" and even "pretty please" but he still won't give up the code and the clock is counting down.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:02pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:58am:

Evil islamic extremist christian racist has a dastradly scheme - a small nuclear device planted at the AFL grand final battered women and puppy dog refuge. The only thing that can stop detonation is the disarmament code, that only he knows.

You've tried saying "please" and even "pretty please" but he still won't give up the code and the clock is counting down.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

If you actually believed that, you would evacuate the stadium, not try to play die hard.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:05pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:02pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:58am:

Evil islamic extremist christian racist has a dastardly scheme - a small nuclear device planted at the AFL grand final an unknown location in the heart of the city. The only thing that can stop detonation is the disarmament code, that only he knows.

You've tried saying "please" and even "pretty please" but he still won't give up the code and the clock is counting down. There's just minutes left - no time to evacuate.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

If you actually believed that, you would evacuate the stadium, not try to play die hard.

Edited the story slightly.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:24pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:58am:

Evil islamic extremist christian racist has a dastradly scheme - a small nuclear device planted at the AFL grand final battered women and puppy dog refuge. The only thing that can stop detonation is the disarmament code, that only he knows.

You've tried saying "please" and even "pretty please" but he still won't give up the code and the clock is counting down.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

SOB

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- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #21 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:28pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:58am:

Evil islamic extremist christian racist has a dastradly scheme - a small nuclear device planted at the AFL grand final battered women and puppy dog refuge. The only thing that can stop detonation is the disarmament code, that only he knows.

You've tried saying "please" and even "pretty please" but he still won't give up the code and the clock is counting down.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

Seems like you watch too much television/Hollywood movies.

What do you think the likelihod of such a scenario is?

Would you base a torture policy on a scenario that is very unlikely to ever happen?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm: That's the situation. Whadda you do? What DO you DO? already answered: Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking. Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him? SOB
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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

That's the situation.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

already answered:

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him?

SOB

You just know.

the clock is ticking - hundreds of thousands are going to die in a few minutes if you can't make him talk. You've already tried asking nicely.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:48pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

That's the situation.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

already answered:

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him?

SOB

You just know.

the clock is ticking - hundreds of thousands are going to die in a few minutes if you can't make him talk. You've already tried asking nicely.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

torturing is no more likely to get you a correct code, than asking nicely.

Picture this...
You torture him. He says "ok, ok Ill tell you the code, its 1234". You phone through to the G and they type in 1234. Boom. Its the early detonation code.

End of torture.

No terrorist bomb Ive ever heard of has a code to disarm it anyway.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:48pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

That's the situation.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

already answered:

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him?

SOB

You just know.

the clock is ticking - hundreds of thousands are going to die in a few minutes if you can't make him talk. You've already tried asking nicely.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

torturing is no more likely to get you a correct code, than asking nicely.

Picture this...
You torture him. He says "ok, ok Ill tell you the code, its 1234". You phone through to the G and they type in 1234. Boom. Its the early detonation code.

End of torture.

No terrorist bomb Ive ever heard of has a code to disarm it anyway.

And you are the worlds foremost authority on terrorist bombs are you? I've you haven't heard of it, it obviously doesn't exist!

Anyway, i can see I'll only ever get flipping and flopping, searching for lopholes from you rubes. So rather than waiting for a straight answre that will enable me to segue into my point, so I'll just cut to the chase:

DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES.

Taking options off the table only limits your own ability to get things done.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:09pm

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:48pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

That's the situation.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

already answered:

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him?

SOB

You just know.

the clock is ticking - hundreds of thousands are going to die in a few minutes if you can't make him talk. You've already tried asking nicely.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

torturing is no more likely to get you a correct code, than asking nicely.

Picture this...
You torture him. He says "ok, ok Ill tell you the code, its 1234". You phone through to the G and they type in 1234. Boom. Its the early detonation code.

End of torture.

No terrorist bomb Ive ever heard of has a code to disarm it anyway.

And you are the worlds foremost authority on terrorist bombs are you? I've you haven't heard of it, it obviously doesn't exist!

Anyway, i can see I'll only ever get flipping and flopping, searching for lopholes from you rubes. So rather than waiting for a straight answre that will enable me to segue into my point, so I'll just cut to the chase:

DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES.

Taking options off the table only limits your own ability to get things done.

If you'd care to listen a senior CIA man has told you that torture does not result in the revealing of the truth. It just doesnt, and you can provide no examples of where it has.

So as a "Desperate measure", its about as useful as giving the man tea and biscuits.

The other problem is who decides what are "desperate times" and what are not. You, may find yourself, through no fault of your own, on the receiving end of torture. Anyone can if its institutionalised.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:19pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:09pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:48pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

That's the situation.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

already answered:

Take him to the refuge and sit there with him. Talking.

Heh how do you know you have the right guy? What if its the wrong guy and he makes something up to get you to stop torturing him?

SOB

You just know.

the clock is ticking - hundreds of thousands are going to die in a few minutes if you can't make him talk. You've already tried asking nicely.

Whadda you do?

What DO you DO?

torturing is no more likely to get you a correct code, than asking nicely.

Picture this...
You torture him. He says "ok, ok Ill tell you the code, its 1234". You phone through to the G and they type in 1234. Boom. Its the early detonation code.

End of torture.

No terrorist bomb Ive ever heard of has a code to disarm it anyway.

And you are the worlds foremost authority on terrorist bombs are you? I've you haven't heard of it, it obviously doesn't exist!

Anyway, i can see I'll only ever get flipping and flopping, searching for lopholes from you rubes. So rather than waiting for a straight answre that will enable me to segue into my point, so I'll just cut to the chase:

DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES.

Taking options off the table only limits your own ability to get things done.

If you'd care to listen a senior CIA man has told you that torture does not result in the revealing of the truth. It just doesnt, and you can provide no examples of where it has.

So as a "Desperate measure", its about as useful as giving the man tea and biscuits.

The other problem is who decides what are "desperate times" and what are not. You, may find yourself, through no fault of your own, on the receiving end of torture. Anyone can if its institutionalised.

Now we're adding conditions where previously there were none.

From the opening post we hear that torture is "indefensible" implying it has no use, anywhere, ever.

I disagree with that. It'll take more than 1 born-again ex-cia man to change my mind. It just sounds like more softcockery from the wads who brought you such bullshit as "violence never solves anything" and "real men walk away".

Of course if it helps you "win" you could always slippery-slope that into me supporting torture for jay walking, littering and getting the missus to tell me what she got me for christmas.

*shrugs*

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:35pm What is it with right-wingers that they think they know better than experts in the field.
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