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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	The Australian editor defends torture May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:09am I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the only panelist on Q & A last night to try to justify torture was the foreign editor of The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Even the ex-CIA man said torture was morally wrong and indefensible. Rupert would be proud of you, Greg.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:13am ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. As the actual CIA guy who has had actual experience with torture said "torture doesnt work". Ppl will say anything to get it to stop. SOB
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Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:18am

Its an interesting issue.

Human nature always thinks torture or the threat of torture will bring out the truth.

It certainly gets them to talk, but the talk is untruthful for 2 reasons.
a) They'll say whatever the torturer wants to hear to make him stop.
b) For terrorists, no torture would be worse than what would happen to him and family if he did blab.

Sheridan was certainly put in his place, but I doubt he'll change his opinion.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. What results has torture got ?
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #5 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:23am ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. What a wonderful insight into the reactionary mind. Anything that "gets results" (whatever that means) is acceptable, apparently. Morality is dispensible. The philosophy of tyrants and mass murderers down the ages.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #6 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27am Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am: ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. What results has torture got ? You think the findings of all military/intelligence interrogations are printed in the local paper for your reading pleasure?
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Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:29am

Peter Freedman wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:23am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Torture gets results. Morals don't.

What a wonderful insight into the reactionary mind. Anything that "gets results" (whatever that means) is acceptable, apparently. Morality is dispensible.

The philosophy of tyrants and mass murderers down the ages.

When the stakes are high, you do what it takes.

Unless of course being "a nice guy" is more important to you than the lives of everyone you hold dear?

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Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:37am

Peter Freedman wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:09am:

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the only panelist on Q & A last night to try to justify torture was the foreign editor of The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Even the ex-CIA man said torture was morally wrong and indefensible.

Rupert would be proud of you, Greg.

You'd expect him to be a total jerk, and he was. He tried to justify torture, but up against the CIA man who's been in the thick of it, he failed miserably, but as you said Rupert would be proud of him, as would George W, little Johnny and Barry.

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Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:09am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:37am:

Peter Freedman wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:09am:

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the only panelist on Q & A last night to try to justify torture was the foreign editor of The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Even the ex-CIA man said torture was morally wrong and indefensible.

Rupert would be proud of you, Greg.

You'd expect him to be a total jerk, and he was. He tried to justify torture, but up against the CIA man who's been in the thick of it, he failed miserably, but as you said Rupert would be proud of him, as would George W, little Johnny and Barry.

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #10 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:10am

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Torture gets results. Morals don't.

What results has torture got ?

You think the findings of all military/intelligence interrogations are printed in the local paper for your reading pleasure? Roll Eyes

If that posting was a horse you'd have to shoot it....

So you have no idea why you think the way you do, but you still think it. That makes sense.

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Reply #11 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:34am

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Torture gets results. Morals don't.

What results has torture got ?

You think the findings of all military/intelligence interrogations are printed in the local paper for your reading pleasure? Roll Eyes

translation: You dont know ?

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Re: The Australian editor defends torture
Reply #12 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:35am

Peter Freedman wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:10am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:27am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:19am:

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am:

Torture gets results. Morals don't.

What results has torture got ?

You think the findings of all military/intelligence interrogations are printed in the local paper for your reading pleasure? Roll Eyes

If that posting was a horse you'd have to shoot it....

So you have no idea why you think the way you do, but you still think it. That makes sense.

Uhuh. Good one.

I really hate to play the ol' rubber/glue gambit, but you think torture "doesn't work"..........why?

Can I take a guess at the answer?

Because you think it sounds "nice".

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: The Australian editor defends torture Reply #13 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36am ... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Torture gets results. Morals don't. So you would be willing to preform in testing experiments to prove this?
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