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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #75 - May 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm Quote: The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did. Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing. SOB
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Reply #76 - May 21^st, 2012 at 7:47pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:39pm:

nairbe wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:20pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 12:19pm:

You started out okay, then descended into hyperbole with the whole peasants and killing thing.

The pesants are already there, and unfortunately they always will be. It is the enlargement of this demographic, the divide between being poor and the possibility of climbing out of that situation. This is and will continue to be a growing issue while Greedism rules.

I'd like to know what your definition of poor is. Is it similar to those in death camps?

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As for the dead they are with us right now. How many innocent people have died in Iraq for your(meant in the third person and not personally) sense of security. There are other answers to these problems but they always require more long term thinking and of course they will cost business as we would need to mind our own business much more. In what way do you imagine the need to interfere for "our" security will be reduced in the foreseeable future.

The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

Now you are bringing up the Nazi's to justify your argument. Grin

No the peasants at worst could get to the slums of India over time but for now let's just focus on the inability to transform their situation.

Iraq was to crush the imminent threat of WMD's, remember them they were a fantasy and have been shown to be nothing but paranoia. It was not necessary and for our arrogance how many died. At least 100+ thousand all the way to the amazing estimates of a million. Honesty is never easy, particularly when it comes to our own insecurity.

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Reply #77 - May 21^st, 2012 at 8:00pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm:

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The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

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Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.

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Reply #78 - May 21^st, 2012 at 8:03pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm:

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The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

SOB

Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.

I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #79 - May 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm Quote: nairbe wrote Now you are bringing up the Nazi's to justify your argument. The topic is about Godwin's law. You were trying to claim that the Iraq invasion was similar to what the Nazis did. I simply pointed out that that was not the case.
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Reply #80 - May 21^st, 2012 at 8:08pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm:

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The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

SOB

Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.

I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

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But there's a world of difference between a liberal democracy and the National Socialist German Workers Party, yes?

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Reply #81 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:00pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

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Now you are bringing up the Nazi's to justify your argument. Grin

The topic is about Godwin's law. You were trying to claim that the Iraq invasion was similar to what the Nazis did. I simply pointed out that that was not the case.

OH i see, so you revert back to the basis of the discussion when the development of the topic moves to a place where you have no answers. I made it very clear on two levels;

1. I do not see our current political leadership as Nazi's i see them as Greedists.

2. The issue at the coure of mentioning the Nazi's is not a reference to death camps and book burnings but rather to societal ignorance to what is happening around them.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #82 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:08pm Well said Nairbe. I don't have to say another word.
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Reply #83 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:26pm

nairbe wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

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nairbe wrote

Now you are bringing up the Nazi's to justify your argument. Grin

The topic is about Godwin's law. You were trying to claim that the Iraq invasion was similar to what the Nazis did. I simply pointed out that that was not the case.

OH i see, so you revert back to the basis of the discussion when the development of the topic moves to a place where you have no answers. I made it very clear on two levels;

1. I do not see our current political leadership as Nazi's i see them as Greedists.

2. The issue at the coure of mentioning the Nazi's is not a reference to death camps and book burnings but rather to societal ignorance to what is happening around them.

There would be lots of countries that are full of people who are ignorant of many things, so your Nazi analogy here is very weak to say the least. And the examples you used of peasants and killings were proven false anyway.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #84 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:26pm Emma wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:08pm: Well said Nairbe. I don't have to say another word. They've let you out of the asylum for a while have they.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #85 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:46pm so says chuckles the clown.
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Reply #86 - May 21^st, 2012 at 9:55pm

Frances wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Kat wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 1:59pm:

Comparisons with Nazis ARE often justified.

Perhaps if you're talking about the likes of Idi Amin it might be, but not in Australian politics. The worst we've ever had couldn't compare to Hitler in particular, or the Nazis in general.

GOOD ONE.

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Reply #87 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:26pm:

nairbe wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:07pm:

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nairbe wrote

Now you are bringing up the Nazi's to justify your argument. Grin

The topic is about Godwin's law. You were trying to claim that the Iraq invasion was similar to what the Nazis did. I simply pointed out that that was not the case.

OH i see, so you revert back to the basis of the discussion when the development of the topic moves to a place where you have no answers. I made it very clear on two levels;

1. I do not see our current political leadership as Nazi's i see them as Greedists.

2. The issue at the coure of mentioning the Nazi's is not a reference to death camps and book burnings but rather to societal ignorance to what is happening around them.

There would be lots of countries that are full of people who are ignorant of many things, so your Nazi analogy here is very weak to say the least. And the examples you used of peasants and killings were proven false anyway.

As we have clearly already over reached your intellectual ability to analyse information and made deductions base on probability and known fact we shall leave it there. You have failed to answer questions posed to you and now are denying the innocent that died in Iraq as a result of what was proven to be an out right lie and fabrication by the Uass over Weapons of Mass Deception. I pity people like yourself who are happy to be kicked in the guts, so long as the oppressor is of your choosing.

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Reply #88 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 7:24am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:42pm:

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The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

SOB

Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.

I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

SOB

But there's a world of difference between a liberal democracy and the National Socialist German Workers Party, yes?

Its irrelevant to my point.

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Reply #89 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:06am

My opinion is that you do not impose forcefulness upon a sovereign land unless that nation has first forced upon another nation in the way of action..not supposed threat.

The manner that our nations have acted may very well be in the name of political goodness, but it has failed dismally in respect of human lives.

IMO, it's blatant corruption.
To take that corruption out of the equation, it's very simple. We just respect the rules which foresaw such corruption..that's all.
It's up to us to respect that laws that we once thought to have significant value.
The laws that preceded us verily have intrinsic value.

Those laws were created because they foresaw the problems with greed which would arise in the future.

Now we have it. Now we see it.

Our nations are attacking other nations via threat. And not only visible threat, it's an invisible threat brought to you via the media.

When will you say, "I will only fight when I have been physically attacked?"

I don't disagree that it might seem a little foolhardy to have that opinion these days, but in the end we need to trust, and we need to trust that others will trust also.

Many nations are Christian or Muslim, or whatever..but we need trust beyond the gobbledegook, and let's face it, the major religions are useless pathetic gobbledegook.

What I think we look to now is those nations who have shunned religion, ie: Russia and China.
It's no surprise that they have come out on top, and are now dictating terms.
They never got sucked into the bs of our religion.

So do I worry about a China-man dictating terms to me?
Nope, I respect that they have a vision, and it's probably a whole lot better than the one that we thought we had.

Our vision has fallen completely flat IMO. We are in real need of a more forthright and upright nation to invade us and to make us appreciate our fallen soldiers and what they have died for.
At this point in time, I'd invite an invasion upon our pathetic ungrateful excuse for a nation.

Bring it on!!
Get me thu hell outta this ridiculous illogical sisterhood...puheasssse!

Watch out sister, I'm gonna switch sides and I'm gonna take you down!!
You've now rendered our version of democracy totally useless you stupid no-brainer.
Now let me take control OK?
I'm gonna stuff you all to oblivion. You have proved yourselves totally worthless and in need of correction.

Get used to it sister, get used to it Christian, get used to it Muslim, 'cause it's a happening thang! It will happen.ii

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