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For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. (Read 8720 times)
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #105 - May 22nd, 2012 at 1:10pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:41pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 7:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:08pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:03pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:42pm:
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The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.


Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

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Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.


I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

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But there's a world of difference between a liberal democracy and the National Socialist German Workers Party, yes?


Its irrelevant to my point.

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I could ask you what your point was, but going on previous experiences you have a tendency to reinterpret the context of your positions after the fact.

You've proven yourself to be a waste of my time.


Are you serious? You dont get what I am saying? lol and you reckon you are so smart and you said "there is nothing you understand that I do not". Yes you said that.

Here is what I said again (read it slowly)

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Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.


Okay now what is the action. Invading and installing your own regime. Again the action: forcing your own beliefs on others. Action. Its an action.

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Huh?

So what is the topic here for you, installing a regime or the noun 'action'?

And what does it have to do with the opening post?




Who knows. Maybe if you read up in the quotes?

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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #106 - May 22nd, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:
... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:05pm:
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you said "there is nothing you understand that I do not". Yes you said that.



Actually, that was me. 


You are right. I mistook mist for you. Are you the same?

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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #107 - May 22nd, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:41pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 7:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:08pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:03pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:42pm:
Quote:
The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.


Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

SOB


Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.


I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

SOB


But there's a world of difference between a liberal democracy and the National Socialist German Workers Party, yes?


Its irrelevant to my point.

SOB



I could ask you what your point was, but going on previous experiences you have a tendency to reinterpret the context of your positions after the fact.

You've proven yourself to be a waste of my time.


Are you serious? You dont get what I am saying? lol and you reckon you are so smart and you said "there is nothing you understand that I do not". Yes you said that.

Here is what I said again (read it slowly)

Quote:
Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.


Okay now what is the action. Invading and installing your own regime. Again the action: forcing your own beliefs on others. Action. Its an action.

SOB


Huh?

So what is the topic here for you, installing a regime or the noun 'action'?

And what does it have to do with the opening post?




Who knows. Maybe if you read up in the quotes?

SOB


"sigh" I gave you another chance to clarify yourself and you reply with that.

You are now officially a waste of my time.
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #108 - May 22nd, 2012 at 2:07pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:24pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:10pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:41pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 7:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:08pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:03pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:42pm:
Quote:
The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.


Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.

SOB


Liberal democracies tolerate multiple viewpoints and allow people to vote, dictatorships do not.

All regimes are not the same.


I didnt say all regimes were the same. I said imposing your regime on someone else is the same thing they were trying to do.

SOB


But there's a world of difference between a liberal democracy and the National Socialist German Workers Party, yes?


Its irrelevant to my point.

SOB



I could ask you what your point was, but going on previous experiences you have a tendency to reinterpret the context of your positions after the fact.

You've proven yourself to be a waste of my time.


Are you serious? You dont get what I am saying? lol and you reckon you are so smart and you said "there is nothing you understand that I do not". Yes you said that.

Here is what I said again (read it slowly)

Quote:
Its invading someone else and installing your own regime. Forcing your own beliefs on others. Collectively. Same thing.


Okay now what is the action. Invading and installing your own regime. Again the action: forcing your own beliefs on others. Action. Its an action.

SOB


Huh?

So what is the topic here for you, installing a regime or the noun 'action'?

And what does it have to do with the opening post?




Who knows. Maybe if you read up in the quotes?

SOB


"sigh" I gave you another chance to clarify yourself and you reply with that.

You are now officially a waste of my time.


You cant read?

SOB
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #109 - May 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm
 
Amadd wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 11:25am:
Yes I do, just not the ones that I know personally.



It gets hard at times to fathom others motives.  I HAD full trust in my ownly surviving sibling, My older(est) sister, until her manipulation and lies showed her to be the most devious, cunning, cold-hearted person I have ever known, of the female gender.
Lots of 2-faced bitches out there Amadd ....
My mother, now passed, earned my love and respect.  She told me, as a young person......  never trust a woman.!!!

So LOOK OUT people, we are throwing off the shadow of niceness.!!!
'Cos don't you know??
the female of the species is deadlier than the male. Angry Smiley Smiley


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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #110 - May 22nd, 2012 at 3:24pm
 
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the female of the species is deadlier than the male. Angry Smiley Smiley


Another reason they should be allowed to fight on front lines.

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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #111 - May 22nd, 2012 at 3:39pm
 
absolutely.!!

I have long held this to be a must.  Women have a long warrior history .
Not talking about Amazons either. 
Altho I don't they were real,  there is record of an all-female army, who continued fighting after their people had been defeated.
They were very successful..  And they fought on,.  till the death.
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #112 - May 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:37pm:
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You then use two examples of this "creeping" Hitlerism.
That Australians are now peasants, and the Iraq invasion.

The first one is rubbish. Australians have had, and still do, possess a very high standard of living compared to most countries. (Funnily enough, when Hitler came to power he raised the standards of living for most Germans, so your comparison bums out in two respects here).

The second was, I admit, based on lies. But, politicians lie frequently, so your Labor buddies here too would be "creeping Hitlers." Additionally, the end result in Iraq was supposed to be not a fascist military state, but a liberal democracy. Two very different political doctrines.


The problem here is your vain attempt to, no matter what, link your political opponents to Hitler in some way or another. In doing so you over look empirical evidence that goes against your position. Like all ideologues, you are blinded by your emotional attachment to your beliefs. But, by all means, keep pumping out the false analogies, and I'll be there to show you the contradictions and inconsistencies in your positions.


I believe that i placed rising Naziism off the agenda when i gave it at least 1000 years of rest and rather offered you the word "GREEDISM". I see it quite different but none the less capable of very destructive social and ethical consequences. The issue that i repeatedly reinforced to you is the similarity in that the slow creep of these things hits without people realising. Such as the pure business position that banks take to interest rates, they see no reason to consider community good or the interests of the customer, and the community allow it when only 10 or 15 years ago they would have been guilted into action.

Australian dependancy on middle class welfare has eroded our self reliance. Many people in the middle class would collapse should the welfare be withdrawn and you can be sure it will be withdrawn in time. There are those who both socio-economically and financially have been left behind due to a variety of reasons, the opportunity for these people to succeed is very limited and a sense of finality in their situation can be very destructive. This situation is affecting a larger group of people who truly depend on welfare just to survive, what for them.

And lastly, please do quote where i identify this as a Liberal thing with big cheers for Labor. You are getting very lost in your own self justification. I did not identify any political party and around the world if you want to play politics both sides have played their part, fed and supported by the fear of the community.
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #113 - May 22nd, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
Well I agree with Nairbe -  once again. Smiley

so anyway , at the risk of stating the obvious,  my previous post, replying to Amadd, who seems to be taking the same oblique approach I am, didn't enlighten you??
Misty mourn ?  Borg-O??


Point???   your fractious to-ing and fro-ing is starting to resemble a game of PingPong.
This is boring and going nowhere.

As to the original idea.... I think  Godwin is most likely to be correct.
As to  a Law... I think we refer to 'lore'.

Lore. 
the premise is not unreasonable.??

A bit like Murphy's Law. Smiley We all have examples we could point to as evidence of that ..... if we choose to see it that way.  It has become lore.
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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #114 - May 23rd, 2012 at 7:44am
 
Emma wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Well I agree with Nairbe -  once again. Smiley

so anyway , at the risk of stating the obvious,  my previous post, replying to Amadd, who seems to be taking the same oblique approach I am, didn't enlighten you??
Misty mourn ?  Borg-O??


Point???   your fractious to-ing and fro-ing is starting to resemble a game of PingPong.
This is boring and going nowhere.

As to the original idea.... I think  Godwin is most likely to be correct.
As to  a Law... I think we refer to 'lore'.

Lore. 
the premise is not unreasonable.??

A bit like Murphy's Law. Smiley We all have examples we could point to as evidence of that ..... if we choose to see it that way.  It has become lore.
Smiley Smiley


Hey dont blame me if he cant understand basic english. the whole convo is right there.

godwin made his lore to be used to stop the idiots that use nazi and hitler comparisons in every argument willy nilly. Obviously there are some exceptions where it is valid though.

There are other "lores" though. Theres the one where you cant tell if someone is taking the piss or actually a fundy (cant remember whos law that was).

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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #115 - May 23rd, 2012 at 8:28am
 
This is a valid comparison. Not a godwin.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gmOWzy1VVldtA_1JulrYKsdjV9_w?...

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Pastor stirs outrage with plan to let US gays 'die out'

By Robert MacPherson (AFP) – 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON — A Baptist pastor in North Carolina triggered Internet outrage Tuesday with his call from the pulpit for all gays and lesbians to be rounded up, fenced in like cattle, then left to die.

Reverend Charles Worley delivered his unabashedly homophobic homily on May 13 -- Mother's Day in the United States -- at his independent Providence Road Baptist Church in the small town of Maiden, North Carolina.

"Build a great, big, large fence -- 150 or 100 miles (240 to 160 kilometers) long -- put all the lesbians in there, fly over and drop some food," Worley told his congregation, as seen in a video that went viral on YouTube with more than 305,000 views.

"Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out... and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out... Do you know why? They can't reproduce," he said.

"If a man ever has a young'un, praise God, it'll be the first one."

With some of his parishioners in the background shouting "amen," the barrel-chested Worley, 71, went on to say: "I ain't going to vote for a baby killer or a homosexual lover."

That was an apparent reference to President Barack Obama, who four days earlier came out in favor of same-sex marriage, and who is not opposed -- as many Catholics and Evangelicals are -- to abortion.

The local Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate launched a social media campaign (www.facebook.com/CatawbaValleyAgainstHate) to condemn Worley's sermon and organize a protest at his church on Sunday.

"We need to line the street in front of the church with people with some common sense to tell the world that hate is not welcome in our community. And, believe me, the world is watching!!" it said.

Same-sex marriage is a hot-button social issue looming over Obama's bid for re-election in November, and it's uncertain whether North Carolina, which voted for him in 2008, will do so again.

Obama's apparent Republican adversary Mitt Romney opposes gay and lesbian marriage.

On May 8, North Carolina voters approved a state constitutional amendment explicitly forbidding gay marriages, civil unions and domestic partnerships. Similar bans exist in around 30 other US states.

Worley could not be immediately reached for comment, while the Providence Road Baptist Church website (www.prbcnc.com) was out of order. Telephone calls to the church were met with busy signals.

The furor spilled over into Google's review pages, where a growing number of contributors gave the Providence Road Baptist Church one star out of a possible five and lashed out at Worley.

The only contributor to give the church five stars wrote: "Old Fashion Bible Believing Church. I feel so blessed to be a member. Brother Charles never pretends to be a saint. He preaches the true word of God."


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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #116 - May 23rd, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
You are getting the idea.

Smiley Wink

the more self-righteous religious , of any persuasion, including politics,.... are parody's of real people.
They have allowed their essential humanity to dissolve into a dogma, which is usually vicious to opponents, and will not/ cannot .. see the real ethical situation in which they have placed themselves.

Only they can save themselves...... what we say is as nothing.
Poor souls.
But.... far sadder, the ultimate victims of such focussed irrationality.
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