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Reply #60 - May 18^th, 2012 at 9:01pm

truly I'm not looking fwd to it.
No Southerners replies yet. Guess they're in the dark.

Yep I was shocked to hear Newman praising Bjelke-Petersen. Maybe if I knew more about him, I wouldn't have been. His rhetoric and the way he oozed into power should have made me realise. I guess I did, in a way, ..!! Sad

- but I hope for the best, usually. Now I have a sense of doom. Not only for QLD, but for the rest of Aus.

Wake up people, deny these fascists that hold such sway over your psyche. For your own souls, if for no-one else.
It's that serious a schism in our society, and its bad to be so helpless before the future.

In recent times, the moral corruption and rot set in when Howard first became PM. I was there.... I remember.
I had always voted Labor, ...never having been anything but working class.
That changed around the time fat face became Labor leader. I do't mean moonface milkybar kid - I mean the fat dude??? what was his name?? totally ineffectual, and leading the party away from its basic principles. Ah that one... K Beasley. Yep voted green since then.

Now heres a few facts - The Qld LNP have closed the Office of Climate Change. Will allow the culling of fruit bat colonies. Has cancelled state aid to Sisters Inside, a really worthwhile outfit , helping girls and woman to get back into society... etc etc.

Just the beginning. Sad

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Reply #61 - May 19^th, 2012 at 8:35am

Emma wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

truly I'm not looking fwd to it.
No Southerners replies yet. Guess they're in the dark.

Yep I was shocked to hear Newman praising Bjelke-Petersen. Maybe if I knew more about him, I wouldn't have been. His rhetoric and the way he oozed into power should have made me realise. I guess I did, in a way, ..!! Sad

- but I hope for the best, usually. Now I have a sense of doom. Not only for QLD, but for the rest of Aus.

Wake up people, deny these fascists that hold such sway over your psyche. For your own souls, if for no-one else.
It's that serious a schism in our society, and its bad to be so helpless before the future.

In recent times, the moral corruption and rot set in when Howard first became PM. I was there.... I remember.
I had always voted Labor, ...never having been anything but working class.
That changed around the time fat face became Labor leader. I do't mean moonface milkybar kid - I mean the fat dude??? what was his name?? totally ineffectual, and leading the party away from its basic principles. Ah that one... K Beasley. Yep voted green since then.

Now heres a few facts - The Qld LNP have closed the Office of Climate Change. Will allow the culling of fruit bat colonies. Has cancelled state aid to Sisters Inside, a really worthwhile outfit , helping girls and woman to get back into society... etc etc.

Just the beginning. Sad

I remember the Joh years very very well. There were certain positives mind you, you don't win all those years of government just on a well planned gerrymander. Hospitals in QLD made the rest of the country look second rate as did the education system. Roads were well planned development was promoted without all the BS and the economics were sound.

These are the types of things people want and are prepared to look the other way as human rights are abused, women's rights denigrated, a police state takes over the protection schemes and drug market from the criminals and accountability becomes a long past ideal. You can forget the labor bungling of the last few years as the LNP machine will simply not allow the media such latitude and will crush any thought of dissension whether it be from outside or in.

20 years of labor rule ended with a ordinary effort and the wheels falling off but we know that the LNP will end in another Fitzgerald enquiry into the systematic corruption that will be Newman. Wait for the mining boom on the Great Barrier Reef, the exploitation of development though out the coastal region and the complete destruction of Aboriginal rights. Don't worry about the wild rivers, they will be the exploited rivers with no future and a destroyed ecosystem. Then the people of QLD can sit back and wonder why the hell they gave such a nasty little man such an unbelievable majority. Power corrupts absolutely.

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Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained.
Reply #62 - May 19^th, 2012 at 10:27am

Emma wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

truly I'm not looking fwd to it.
No Southerners replies yet. Guess they're in the dark.

Yep I was shocked to hear Newman praising Bjelke-Petersen. Maybe if I knew more about him, I wouldn't have been. His rhetoric and the way he oozed into power should have made me realise. I guess I did, in a way, ..!! Sad

- but I hope for the best, usually. Now I have a sense of doom. Not only for QLD, but for the rest of Aus.

Wake up people, deny these fascists that hold such sway over your psyche. For your own souls, if for no-one else.
It's that serious a schism in our society, and its bad to be so helpless before the future.

In recent times, the moral corruption and rot set in when Howard first became PM. I was there.... I remember.
I had always voted Labor, ...never having been anything but working class.
That changed around the time fat face became Labor leader. I do't mean moonface milkybar kid - I mean the fat dude??? what was his name?? totally ineffectual, and leading the party away from its basic principles. Ah that one... K Beasley. Yep voted green since then.

Now heres a few facts - The Qld LNP have closed the Office of Climate Change. Will allow the culling of fruit bat colonies. Has cancelled state aid to Sisters Inside, a really worthwhile outfit , helping girls and woman to get back into society... etc etc.

Just the beginning. Sad

I would have to say that that isn't too bad a start,especially for NQ farmers.

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Reply #63 - May 19^th, 2012 at 1:24pm

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

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frances wrote
You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

I agree that the Hitler comparison is used too often with now no effect. I would also assert that most don't understand what actually happened back then. Hitler was by no means the monster that gas jews and did medical experiments until later in his time, he was at first hailed an economic genius that gave his poverty stricken nation work, food and hope. He restored self respect for the German people after the humiliation of the post WW1 era. At that time the only signs of the monster was his discrimination socially against jews and gays and ethnic Germans in general. This was not seen as a problem around the world as most countries considered the jews a major problem at that time even the US. The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back.

You must have a very low opinion of Abbott and the Liberals and the Australian people to think that it would happen here.
Additionally, what policies are in place or are going to be implemented that would lead to another holocaust?

You completely missed the message with your desperate need to self justify. No one is suggesting another holocaust, the Israelies are doing a good job of ensuring that happens in the middle east. It is the deterioration of many things that have made this such a great country for so long. Personal freedom, workers rights, civil disobedience, and genuine feelings of mateship that are now used to create nationalist fever.

What message did I miss? It seems quite clear that you're implying that the Godwins are justified. That Abbott, Newman and the Liberals are Nazis waiting to launch their tirade on the people.

It's cheap way to score points.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #64 - May 19^th, 2012 at 2:34pm IMO all godwins are justified in this thread. Prolly why you sound like a nazi. SOB
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #65 - May 19^th, 2012 at 2:55pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:34pm: IMO all godwins are justified in this thread. Prolly why you sound like a nazi. SOB They probably would sound justified to a 7 seven year old. Run along now.
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Reply #66 - May 19^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 1:24pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

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You completely missed the message with your desperate need to self justify. No one is suggesting another holocaust, the Israelies are doing a good job of ensuring that happens in the middle east. It is the deterioration of many things that have made this such a great country for so long. Personal freedom, workers rights, civil disobedience, and genuine feelings of mateship that are now used to create nationalist fever.

What message did I miss? It seems quite clear that you're implying that the Godwins are justified. That Abbott, Newman and the Liberals are Nazis waiting to launch their tirade on the people.

It's cheap way to score points.

No i don't think they are Nazi's as this is a concept that is past like communism and will need a 1000 odd years to have them again. No i see Abbott, Rudd, Newman and CO as being sold to business and the corporate power of people like Forrest and Murdock. There focus is not on the country and a natural balance of opportunity, equality and services, but rather on squeezing every last drop of profit out of everything as fast as they can so that they look good and keep the powerful on side.

Call it "greedism", it is the loss of empathy and genuine interest in equality and common decency. It is putting business before people, shareholders before the customer and profit before honesty, the "ME" generation. We will destroy our community structures and create peasants again in our societies. We will crush the descents with armies and never understand why they were angry at us, we will justify 10,000's of deaths as being for our security with never a moments thought as to why we need that security. We will see our freedom eroded in the name of democracy. Much already is happening and as it gets worse we are beginning to eat ourselves but somehow we don't care anymore because greed is more important.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #67 - May 21^st, 2012 at 12:19pm You started out okay, then descended into hyperbole with the whole peasants and killing thing.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #68 - May 21^st, 2012 at 1:46pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:55pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:34pm: IMO all godwins are justified in this thread. Prolly why you sound like a nazi. SOB They probably would sound justified to a 7 seven year old. Run along now. Gawd . . . . idiot SOB
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #69 - May 21^st, 2012 at 1:59pm Just two points.... 1/ Godwin's 'law' is NOT a law. 2/ Comparisons with Nazis ARE often justified.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #70 - May 21^st, 2012 at 2:44pm Quote: kat wrote 1/ Godwin's 'law' is NOT a law. Not in the legislative sense, but then again, I never said it was, neither does Mike Godwin. Quote: kat wrote 2/ Comparisons with Nazis ARE often justified Then the onus is on you to provide hard evidence that this is the case.
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #71 - May 21^st, 2012 at 3:19pm Kat wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 1:59pm: Comparisons with Nazis ARE often justified. Perhaps if you're talking about the likes of Idi Amin it might be, but not in Australian politics. The worst we've ever had couldn't compare to Hitler in particular, or the Nazis in general.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #72 - May 21^st, 2012 at 5:52pm Huh yeah... but WE'RE STILL TRYING.!!!!!!!!
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Reply #73 - May 21^st, 2012 at 7:20pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 12:19pm:

You started out okay, then descended into hyperbole with the whole peasants and killing thing.

The pesants are already there, and unfortunately they always will be. It is the enlargement of this demographic, the divide between being poor and the possibility of climbing out of that situation. This is and will continue to be a growing issue while Greedism rules.

As for the dead they are with us right now. How many innocent people have died in Iraq for your(meant in the third person and not personally) sense of security. There are other answers to these problems but they always require more long term thinking and of course they will cost business as we would need to mind our own business much more. In what way do you imagine the need to interfere for "our" security will be reduced in the foreseeable future.

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Reply #74 - May 21^st, 2012 at 7:39pm

nairbe wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:20pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 12:19pm:

You started out okay, then descended into hyperbole with the whole peasants and killing thing.

The pesants are already there, and unfortunately they always will be. It is the enlargement of this demographic, the divide between being poor and the possibility of climbing out of that situation. This is and will continue to be a growing issue while Greedism rules.

I'd like to know what your definition of poor is. Is it similar to those in death camps?

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As for the dead they are with us right now. How many innocent people have died in Iraq for your(meant in the third person and not personally) sense of security. There are other answers to these problems but they always require more long term thinking and of course they will cost business as we would need to mind our own business much more. In what way do you imagine the need to interfere for "our" security will be reduced in the foreseeable future.

The Iraq situation was to remove Hussien and install and Western style liberal democracy. Although this was never achieved, it is still a far cry from what the Nazis did.

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