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Reply #46 - May 17^th, 2012 at 11:55am

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #47 - May 17^th, 2012 at 11:58am ... wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 11:54am: I don't think it's fair to apply any label to whitey, left or right. He's a special case. They broke the mould after they made that one, and with good reason too. They're not something I would normally use, but that post really calls for these:
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Reply #48 - May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

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You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

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Reply #49 - May 17^th, 2012 at 8:20pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Then my original assertion was correct:

You

and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

Actually, your original assertion is absolute crap if you're directing it at me, which you appear to be doing.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #50 - May 17^th, 2012 at 10:13pm So you agree with my concern that there are too many unjustified Hitler comparisons here?
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Reply #51 - May 18^th, 2012 at 12:04am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

So you agree with my concern that there are too many unjustified Hitler comparisons here?

Yes. And on this forum there are more from the left than from the right - unlike another forum I used to post on, where most of this sort of name calling came from the right, the main culprit there being an American who frequently quoted Glenn Beck....

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Reply #53 - May 18^th, 2012 at 7:01am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

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You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

I agree that the Hitler comparison is used too often with now no effect. I would also assert that most don't understand what actually happened back then. Hitler was by no means the monster that gas jews and did medical experiments until later in his time, he was at first hailed an economic genius that gave his poverty stricken nation work, food and hope. He restored self respect for the German people after the humiliation of the post WW1 era. At that time the only signs of the monster was his discrimination socially against jews and gays and ethnic Germans in general. This was not seen as a problem around the world as most countries considered the jews a major problem at that time even the US. The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: For the Leftists: Godwin Explained. Reply #54 - May 18^th, 2012 at 7:45am The main offenders are usually jews. They bring it up. Whenever you try to ask them about israel they bring up the "holocaust". you are then forced to compare them to their nemesis because they are so hypocritical. SOB
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Reply #55 - May 18^th, 2012 at 10:54am

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

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frances wrote
You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

I agree that the Hitler comparison is used too often with now no effect. I would also assert that most don't understand what actually happened back then. Hitler was by no means the monster that gas jews and did medical experiments until later in his time, he was at first hailed an economic genius that gave his poverty stricken nation work, food and hope. He restored self respect for the German people after the humiliation of the post WW1 era. At that time the only signs of the monster was his discrimination socially against jews and gays and ethnic Germans in general. This was not seen as a problem around the world as most countries considered the jews a major problem at that time even the US. The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back.

You must have a very low opinion of Abbott and the Liberals and the Australian people to think that it would happen here.
Additionally, what policies are in place or are going to be implemented that would lead to another holocaust?

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Reply #56 - May 18^th, 2012 at 11:04am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

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frances wrote
You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

I agree that the Hitler comparison is used too often with now no effect. I would also assert that most don't understand what actually happened back then. Hitler was by no means the monster that gas jews and did medical experiments until later in his time, he was at first hailed an economic genius that gave his poverty stricken nation work, food and hope. He restored self respect for the German people after the humiliation of the post WW1 era. At that time the only signs of the monster was his discrimination socially against jews and gays and ethnic Germans in general. This was not seen as a problem around the world as most countries considered the jews a major problem at that time even the US. The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back.

You must have a very low opinion of Abbott and the Liberals and the Australian people to think that it would happen here.
Additionally, what policies are in place or are going to be implemented that would lead to another holocaust?

To tell the truth howard was a bit scary in that way too. Its the attitude I think.

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Reply #57 - May 18^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back. - Nairbe.

Yes - that is the lesson.

As for comments on LNP actions- as a Qlder recently acquiring an LNP government, I can tell you the writing is not only on the wall, its already in action.

Seems Can-do Campbell Newman venerates Joh Bjelke-Petersen.
Of all insults possible to throw in the face of his 'detractors'... to proclaim Joh in the Inaugral address to the Queensland Parliament is a disgrace.
They have been very quick to show their muscle... they have acted in aggressive and biased ways already.
Can list some but ..sure you get the drift.!
The police state has returned to QLD.!!

I doubt you southerners get any info about the new LNP govt in Q.
In fact I'd be amazed if you do. Sad

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Reply #58 - May 18^th, 2012 at 8:19pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

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frances wrote
You may say that you are trying to educate some forum members (although there are a handful who should really be written off as lost causes) and maybe you are, but the way it comes across is as if you are saying "Someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler - Godwin's Law - thread over", which leads me to suggest that it is being used as a tool to stifle debate. I referred to it as a "rightist" tool as, with one or two exceptions, the forum members who tend to make the posts on this forum of the sort to which you are objecting are left leaning so, on this forum (but maybe not on others) invoking Godwin's Law is effectively a tool of the right.

Then my original assertion was correct:

You and others are welcome to provide evidence that Abbott and Newman or any other Liberal are sending people off to gas chambers, performing medical experiments, making different races, homosexuals, and communists wear badges, sprouting theories of racial biology, etc etc etc.

I agree that the Hitler comparison is used too often with now no effect. I would also assert that most don't understand what actually happened back then. Hitler was by no means the monster that gas jews and did medical experiments until later in his time, he was at first hailed an economic genius that gave his poverty stricken nation work, food and hope. He restored self respect for the German people after the humiliation of the post WW1 era. At that time the only signs of the monster was his discrimination socially against jews and gays and ethnic Germans in general. This was not seen as a problem around the world as most countries considered the jews a major problem at that time even the US. The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back.

You must have a very low opinion of Abbott and the Liberals and the Australian people to think that it would happen here.
Additionally, what policies are in place or are going to be implemented that would lead to another holocaust?

You completely missed the message with your desperate need to self justify. No one is suggesting another holocaust, the Israelies are doing a good job of ensuring that happens in the middle east. It is the deterioration of many things that have made this such a great country for so long. Personal freedom, workers rights, civil disobedience, and genuine feelings of mateship that are now used to create nationalist fever.

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Reply #59 - May 18^th, 2012 at 8:22pm

Emma wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

The warning in the Hitler comparison is to the ignorance of the people who didn't see the monster creep up on them and the lesson that once the monster has control it is to late to turn back. - Nairbe.

Yes - that is the lesson.

As for comments on LNP actions- as a Qlder recently acquiring an LNP government, I can tell you the writing is not only on the wall, its already in action.

Seems Can-do Campbell Newman venerates Joh Bjelke-Petersen.
Of all insults possible to throw in the face of his 'detractors'... to proclaim Joh in the Inaugral address to the Queensland Parliament is a disgrace.
They have been very quick to show their muscle... they have acted in aggressive and biased ways already.
Can list some but ..sure you get the drift.!
The police state has returned to QLD.!!

I doubt you southerners get any info about the new LNP govt in Q.
In fact I'd be amazed if you do. Sad

I grew up in the Joh years and have not forgotten what he was and the way it was. Hold on QLD the storm clouds are gathering.

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