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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #60 - May 7^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

SOB you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room here. If you want 'proper' funding for the public school system, how does it help if your very first move significantly reduces the funding per student?

I am not ignoring elephants unless you are an elephant.

SOB

Are you considering the practical aspects of this issue, or are you approaching it from a purely ideological perspective?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #61 - May 7^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

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Well, the government involves itself by prescribing the curriculum, for starters.

Secondly, many public schools are forced to spend a disproportionate amount time and energy on the children of the dregs of society who lower the standards inexorably. Public schools have no way of dealing with them. In a private school, paretnts would not tolerate the hijacking of their children's education by a bunch of Jonah Takaluahs.

If you educated them properly they wouldn't be the dregs of society !!

The problem starts with rubbish child care centers which are run by opportunists and only focus on play based learning where children learn absolutely nothing and are ill prepared for later on !!

The trouble with our education system is that it has been infiltrated by money making opportunists which are only in it to make a quick buck !!

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #62 - May 7^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

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The problem starts with rubbish child care centers which are run by opportunists and only focus on play based learning where children learn absolutely nothing and are ill prepared for later on !!

Do you want kids in child care to be sitting at a desk learning things the hard way?

Should you need a piece of paper showing you are qualified to enter pre school?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #63 - May 7^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB

If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

SOB

They're taking pressure off the public system.

why do they need to take pressure off the public system ?

Places in public schools are limited.

Close the private schools and all of a sudden you'll have 50 students per class in the public schools.

That's an awful lot of pressure.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #64 - May 7^th, 2012 at 4:41pm They don't 'need' to do anything. But it would make sense to save money on education. With fewer public school students, the money that is spent there goes a lot further. That is true regardless of how much the amount is.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #65 - May 7^th, 2012 at 6:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB

If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

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Reply #66 - May 7^th, 2012 at 6:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB

If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #67 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:01pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB

If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

SOB

They're taking pressure off the public system.

why do they need to take pressure off the public system ?

Places in public schools are limited.

Close the private schools and all of a sudden you'll have 50 students per class in the public schools.

That's an awful lot of pressure.

Wrong .... put all the money in private schools into public schools, and you've suddenly got hundreds of new schools fully funded...besides, there will always be a private school element ... do you think the likes of Packer would send his kids to a public school? not a hope , he and his billionaire buddies would fund their own school just to make sure their kids didn't catch anything from the public school students, and do you think the catholic schools would just shut shop? not a hope, they can't miss out on the opportunity to brainwash and molest all those kids ...

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #69 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:29pm

Johnsmith wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception

Just as long as private school working parents are entitled to demand that THEIR taxes dont go to NON-WORKING people. The same argument applies.

your argument is beyond lame.

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Reply #70 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:33pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

Is it just me, or are the opponents of private schools only capable of ideological and semantic arguments and totally incapable of considering even the most basic cost benefit analysis?

you just discovered that? the ONLY argument is ideological. the undisputed fact that private schools SAVE govt money never enters the equation.

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Reply #71 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Johnsmith wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception

Just as long as private school working parents are entitled to demand that THEIR taxes dont go to NON-WORKING people. The same argument applies.

your argument is beyond lame.

If rich ppl want to get the educational benefits of taxes then they can send thier kids to public schools. Thats fair.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #72 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

SOB bases his entire argument on the definition of private, rather than on what is the most sensible way to fund our children's education.

The most sensible way is to just have public schools and no private schools and fund the public schools properly and educate the kids. Why are private schools even needed if the curriculum is the same anyway?

SOB

you dont know??? 'quality' of education never passed your mind? extra-curricular studies never appeared on your horizon?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #73 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:37pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB

If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

SOB

They're taking pressure off the public system.

why do they need to take pressure off the public system ?

The public system is a service provided by the government which is funded by tax payers.

you are aware of the 'pressure' on the public school system?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #74 - May 7^th, 2012 at 7:44pm Quote: Wrong .... put all the money in private schools into public schools, and you've suddenly got hundreds of new schools fully funded.. Unfortunately it's not enough to cover all the extra students from the now closed private schools. You haven't exactly thought this through, have you?
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Question: Should taxpayers money pay for private education ?
Yes 11 (35.5%) No 20 (64.5%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: Sir lastnail on: May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am »