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bludger Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314 Gender:	Should taxpayer pay for private education? May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school?
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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #1 - May 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm: My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Because it's cheaper than building more public schools.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #2 - May 6^th, 2012 at 9:19pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Angry

Because it's cheaper than building more public schools.

Bullshit. If that was the case no public schools would ever have been built. Private schools are usually run by scammers such as religious institutions.

The first class Finnish publicly owned and run education system proves that a good education system shouldn't be available only to those who can afford it !

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #3 - May 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Angry

Because it's cheaper than building more public schools.

Bullshit.

No, it's a fact.

The kids have to go to school somewhere.

If the private schools didn't exist, more public schools would have to be built.
The cost of building and maintaining public schools is much higher than the contributions given to the private schools.

No BS. All quite simple.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #4 - May 6^th, 2012 at 9:42pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Angry

Because it's cheaper than building more public schools.

Bullshit. If that was the case no public schools would ever have been built. Private schools are usually run by scammers such as religious institutions.

The first class Finnish publicly owned and run education system proves that a good education system shouldn't be available only to those who can afford it !

It is only cheaper if the parents are willing to pay the extra for private schooling.

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #5 - May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception
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Reply #6 - May 6^th, 2012 at 10:40pm

Two "GEMS" !

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 24^th, 2011 at 10:09am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:26pm:

My dad always used to joke my schooling cost the same as a new ford falcon each year - that measurement would still seem to hold true.

Yep, my father once starting calc'ing up the total sunk cost of my sister and I over the course of early years to leaving uni.
He stopped counting after working out he could buy several porsches with the amount.
It ran into hundreds of thousands I think.

Such is life.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 24^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

I don't know why there is always this fuss about funding to private schools etc.

At the end of the day, we need to treat all equally.

In my personal experience, kids at schools in the public sector do just as well in some respects as we do.
It's just all sour grapes.

People need to stop being concerned with this and get on with it.

I don't lose any sleep about public v private arrangements at all.

We all get the same chances in life from what I can see

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #7 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:00am

Johnsmith wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception

If you don't pay for my kids, why should any of my taxes should go to paying for yours?

Each child should receive the same money, whether public or private.

Otherwise what is the point of paying for private?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #8 - May 7^th, 2012 at 2:16am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:00am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception

If you don't pay for my kids, why should any of my taxes should go to paying for yours?

Each child should receive the same money, whether public or private.

Andrei, you've said many times that your parents received no money for health care, education, university, and that you've never sniffed from the public trough in your life.

You've compared your upbringing to growing up in the great depression. You struggled - although I think you were referring to passing your exams here.

Now you're saying we should all be equal. Are you really saying that kids who go to state schools should receive the SAME funding as the rich kids who go to private schools?

Forgive me for saying this, Andrei, but you're starting to sound like a socialist.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #9 - May 7^th, 2012 at 5:21am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:00am:

Johnsmith wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Not ... not a single red cent of tax payer money should go to private schools .... except for when the kids doorknock parliament selling chocolates as part of school fundraising, in that case I'll make an exception

If you don't pay for my kids, why should any of my taxes should go to paying for yours?

Each child should receive the same money, whether public or private.

Otherwise what is the point of paying for private?

My taxes go towards providing the infrastructure and resources required to educate your children. It is up to you whether your children access public education or not. If you choose to send your children to private schools that is your prerogative. I don't believe my tax dollars should subsidise your personal preferences. It is much cheaper to fund one system to provide a satisfactory level of education than have those funds split over numerous independent schools. Therefore, I don't believe it holds that private school students should receive the same level of public funding as their public counterparts.

However, our education system has evolved with significant private participation. Removing all public funding from private schools would be extremely costly to the public in the short to medium term. It would be irrational to increase the tax burden while simultaneously jeopardising our ability to educate our children. Further, the private schools provide diversity and competition which is always healthy in any system. On these ground some subsidisation of private schools seems justifiable and sensible. What level of subsidisation would require a whole lot more thought.

What is abundantly clear is that our public system is chronically underfunded, and this is compromising our educational standards. To insist that public investment in the public education system should be matched by a similar infusion of public funds into the private system, creates a fiscal burden which makes adequate funding increasingly unlikely.

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Reply #10 - May 7^th, 2012 at 8:39am

As usual nails you have no bloody idea what you are talking about.Yes I know the figures are seven years old but there are from a Parliamentary Inquiry.

So tell me nails where and how does NSW fit in 2012 probably 400,000 students from the private sector into the public system?

NSW schools.

Private schools 1995 865 Students 300,614

Private schools 2000 901 Students 334,693

Private schools 2005 912 Students 367,247

Public primary schools 1995 1,715 High schools 388 Total students 755,707

Public primary schools 2000 1,713 High schools 393 Total students 761,836

Total primary schools 2005 1,718 High schools 397 Total students 741,578

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/0/6ADAFA76AB5FEF...

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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #11 - May 7^th, 2012 at 9:00am I thought private schools weren't funded by the government at all. I thought that was why they were "private." They were only for rich people.
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Reply #12 - May 7^th, 2012 at 9:01am

bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Angry

I dont care about the propaganda or the statistics. A private school is a private school it should not receive public money. It should be made to follow a state curriculum though to avoid having a country like america where students only get taught subjects "approved" by their nutter parents.

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Reply #13 - May 7^th, 2012 at 9:07am

It should be made to follow a state curriculum though to avoid having a country like america where students only get taught subjects "approved" by their nutter parents.

Oh dear, another dummy from the public system.

Private schools do follow the State curriculum.

Do you really think the private schools set their own HSC exams??

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #14 - May 7^th, 2012 at 9:17am So you think we should cripple the public school system and lower the standards for all children just to satisfy your stubbornness over the semantics of public and private?
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Question: Should taxpayers money pay for private education ?
Yes 11 (35.5%) No 20 (64.5%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: Sir lastnail on: May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am »