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Question: Should taxpayers money pay for private education ?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #45 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

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If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #46 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB


If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.



How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #47 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm
 
SOB bases his entire argument on the definition of private, rather than on what is the most sensible way to fund our children's education.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #48 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:43pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
However I am the first to agree that the classmates are not always better.
Some of the wealthiest kids I know were also the worst behaved.

The son of a Conservative MP attempted to burn down the library once...  Lips Sealed


I'd love to hear more of these stories. I'd love to know why wealthy kids can be so bad. Grin
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #49 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
freediver wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
SOB bases his entire argument on the definition of private, rather than on what is the most sensible way to fund our children's education.


The most sensible way is to just have public schools and no private schools and fund the public schools properly and educate the kids. Why are private schools even needed if the curriculum is the same anyway?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #50 - May 7th, 2012 at 2:55pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB


If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.



How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

SOB



They're taking pressure off the public system.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #51 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:04pm
 
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The parents of private school kids pay taxes and therefore their kids are ENTITLED to the same Govt education dollar as the kids of the down trodden whose parents pay little or no tax.

They actually ONLY get roughly 30c / Govt $ with private fees making up the rest.

The parents of private school kids accept this INEQUALITY because firstly they want their kids to get educated instead of indoctrinated.

Secondly, because they happen to be the minority that pays the majority of tax and its the majority that pays the minority of tax that are represented in Parliament and therefore rule the roost they have to accept this blatant ripping off of their hard earned by the 'down trodden'.

Thirdly, Private education saves the Govt BILLIONS of dollars from the public purse.  If the parents of private school kids suddenly decided to transfer their kids to the Public system the Govt would have to find these BILLIONS of dollars EVERY year.....and as Swan is finding out that is bleeding difficult to do.

The opportunity cost of not subsidising private education would be cuts to lots of other pork barrelling schemes, infrastructure projects etc etc.

Maybe they'd have to cut your dole as well
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #52 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:06pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:44pm:
freediver wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
SOB bases his entire argument on the definition of private, rather than on what is the most sensible way to fund our children's education.


The most sensible way is to just have public schools and no private schools and fund the public schools properly and educate the kids. Why are private schools even needed if the curriculum is the same anyway?

SOB


Why is it more sensible? Do you understand that if you close private schools, there will be less money available per student in public schools? How is increasing the burden on public schools going to get you any closer to your goals of funding them properly?

Have you changed more mind about insisting it must be done your way to satisfy the definition of private?
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #53 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

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Well, the government involves itself by prescribing the curriculum, for starters.

Secondly, many public schools are forced to spend a disproportionate amount time and energy on the children of the dregs of society who lower the standards inexorably. Public schools have no way of dealing with them. In a private school, paretnts would not tolerate the hijacking of their children's education by a bunch of Jonah Takaluahs.





Thirdly, it's not in the government's gift to ban parents from spending additional money on their children.

Finally, as others have pointed out, everyone pays taxes. The fairest thing would be for the government to allow parents to send their childen to any school, carrying the government funding per pupil with them. After all, it is the government that has made education compulsory, as well as the paying of taxes.






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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #54 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:30pm
 
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Secondly, many public schools are forced to spend a disproportionate amount time and energy on the children of the dregs of society who lower the standards inexorably. Public schools have no way of dealing with them. In a private school, paretnts would not tolerate the hijacking of their children's education by a bunch of Jonah Takaluahs.



You really are a toad, Enid.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #55 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:31pm
 
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The parents of private school kids pay taxes and therefore their kids are ENTITLED to the same Govt education dollar as the kids of the down trodden whose parents pay little or no tax.


So you are. They can go to public schools then.

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The parents of private school kids accept this INEQUALITY because firstly they want their kids to get educated instead of indoctrinated.


Can you clarify that please? What is the difference in the curriculum that makes 1 indoctrination and the other education?

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Maybe they'd have to cut your dole as well


I am not on the dole

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children of the dregs of society who lower the standards inexorably.


This would be who? If you are born into a poor family you are forever tainted as "dregs"?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #56 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:48pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 3:31pm:
This would be who? If you are born into a poor family you are forever tainted as "dregs"?

SOB



Nope, my father was born into a place where (in his words) "we didn't even have a bucket to p*ss in".

He rose out of all of that.

It's about what you make for yourself.

Children should be funded the same by the Government, that's how it is.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #57 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:48pm
 
SOB you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room here. If you want 'proper' funding for the public school system, how does it help if your very first move significantly reduces the funding per student?
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Reply #58 - May 7th, 2012 at 3:51pm
 
freediver wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 3:48pm:
SOB you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room here. If you want 'proper' funding for the public school system, how does it help if your very first move significantly reduces the funding per student?


I am not ignoring elephants unless you are an elephant.

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Reply #59 - May 7th, 2012 at 4:23pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:55pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all?

SOB


If you are going to fund education you give the same amount per pupil irrelevant of the type of school.
It's only fair.



How is it fair to fund private enterprise?

SOB



They're taking pressure off the public system.



why do they need to take pressure off the public system ?

The public system is a service provided by the government which is funded by tax payers.
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