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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #30 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:24am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Schools should be run as an essential service to the public. They should NOT be run as a business trying to extract the last cent out of the government and parents.

You definitely must be a liberal voter.

Yeah, I agree. However ...

... if these private school "businesses" go broke all of a sudden (through lack of funding), where do you think all of the children will end up?

How do you like the idea of 50 kids or more in public school classrooms?

Or, do you think the government will simply build enough schools overnight to accommodate all of the extra children?

And, by the way, I'm a liberal but certainly not a Liberal Party voter. I'm deeply offended Cry

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Reply #31 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:45am

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Schools should be run as an essential service to the public. They should NOT be run as a business trying to extract the last cent out of the government and parents.

You definitely must be a liberal voter.

Yeah, I agree. However ...

... if these private school "businesses" go broke all of a sudden (through lack of funding), where do you think all of the children will end up?

How do you like the idea of 50 kids or more in public school classrooms?

Or, do you think the government will simply build enough schools overnight to accommodate all of the extra children?

And, by the way, I'm a liberal but certainly not a Liberal Party voter. I'm deeply offended Cry

with the money they have spent on private education institutions over the decades they could have built the schools they needed as well as creating plenty of jobs which is what they always go on about !!

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #32 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am Added a poll
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #33 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

bludger wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

My taxes pay for everyones children to be educated at a public school including rich peoples kids. Why should I cough up to help pay for rich peoples kids to be educated at a private school? Angry

Because it's cheaper than building more public schools.

Bullshit.

No, it's a fact.

The kids have to go to school somewhere.

If the private schools didn't exist, more public schools would have to be built.
The cost of building and maintaining public schools is much higher than the contributions given to the private schools.

No BS. All quite simple.

No it's bullshit.

Schools should be run as an essential service to the public. They should NOT be run as a business trying to extract the last cent out of the government and parents.

The money that has been doled out to private schools for decades could have been used to build more public schools.

The idea that the more money you pay the better the education is totally absurd. All kids should have the best education irrespective of socio economic background.

Just look at the Finnish school system. All publicly owned and run with the best teachers money can buy and no daggy uniforms which is just another scam to make money Sad

You definitely must be a liberal voter.

Almost all private schools are not-for-profit enterprises. They are supported by student fees, government subsidies, and donations, mostly from old students.

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #34 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:49am

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Almost all private schools are not-for-profit enterprises. They are supported by student fees, government subsidies, and donations, mostly from old students.

Tell me you don't honestlky believe that Lips Sealed

When did religious institutions ever get invoilved in something that was not profitable ?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #35 - May 7^th, 2012 at 11:56am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

with the money they have spent on private education institutions over the decades they could have built the schools they needed as well as creating plenty of jobs which is what they always go on about !!

True. They could have.

However, I don't have a DeLorean with a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor. Do you?

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #36 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:02pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

with the money they have spent on private education institutions over the decades they could have built the schools they needed as well as creating plenty of jobs which is what they always go on about !!

True. They could have.

However, I don't have a DeLorean with a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor. Do you?

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2010/09/teachers.jpg

so lets keep poring good money after bad just like with Holden Ford and Toyota ! To big to fail eh Wink

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #37 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Almost all private schools are not-for-profit enterprises. They are supported by student fees, government subsidies, and donations, mostly from old students.

Tell me you don't honestlky believe that Lips Sealed

When did religious institutions ever get invoilved in something that was not profitable ?

The school I went to was both a Church of England school and a private run school.
It pumped all of the funding back into the school and provided financed trips for us to go places like Switzerland, Sweden, Germany - whilst kids in the public system were lucky to get a day trip to London.

Private schools are built on funding the educations of the children - they will pay better for teachers, they will build better facilities - and hopefully you get a better set of classmates.

However I am the first to agree that the classmates are not always better.
Some of the wealthiest kids I know were also the worst behaved.

The son of a Conservative MP attempted to burn down the library once... Lips Sealed

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #38 - May 7^th, 2012 at 12:33pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

with the money they have spent on private education institutions over the decades they could have built the schools they needed as well as creating plenty of jobs which is what they always go on about !!

True. They could have.

However, I don't have a DeLorean with a 1.21 gigawatt flux capacitor. Do you?

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2010/09/teachers.jpg

Hard to argue against the coulda, shoulda, woulda defence.

But you have done so very well. Kudos (you bloody righty lol) Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53191 At my desk.	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #39 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm Is it just me, or are the opponents of private schools only capable of ideological and semantic arguments and totally incapable of considering even the most basic cost benefit analysis?
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DueBank New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16 Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #40 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:03pm Do the people who support tax payers paying for private education at least think they should get an equal or lesser amount then the public schools?
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #41 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

If you run a private-public education system, it should be two tier.

That's the whole of market economics - you pay for something, you get it better.

So the Government if it wishes to fund education should fund each pupil the same amount.

Then the amount you pay in private education is the difference.
It's equality - you pay everyone the same.

I don't see why tax dollars should go to one set of people and not the other.
How is that fair?

Let's give everyone the same go in life.

Not sure what you're saying here, Andrei. You think private schools should be subsidised to be better than state schools (they pay, so they should get it better), but you think everyone should get the same go in life.

Either we subsidise a two-tiered system (choice), or we subidise the same go in life (socialism).

Which one is market economics?

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #42 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:45pm It's not really a matter of whether we should pay for private schools, rather that the government has to please both the rich and the poor. It's all about buying votes, that's why we have so much wealthfare, not needed but it buys votes. Has anyone noticed that?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #43 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:47pm freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 1:02pm: Is it just me, or are the opponents of private schools only capable of ideological and semantic arguments and totally incapable of considering even the most basic cost benefit analysis? I think this subject basically just highlights the politics of envy.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #44 - May 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm Private schools are private schools. Privately owned and privately run. In a capitalist society why should the govt be involved @ all? SOB
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Question: Should taxpayers money pay for private education ?
Yes 11 (35.5%) No 20 (64.5%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: Sir lastnail on: May 7^th, 2012 at 11:47am »