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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #165 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

Spend what we have to to make public schools decent.

SOB

Being interested in education and being motivated to do well in schools is not something you can buy for money.

A lot of public schools are crap for reasons no money can fix. Many have reached a point where extra funding is not going to make any difference.

Extra funding to repair vandalism, to remove graffiti, to pay for teachers on stress leave, to pay for agency teachers because there are not enough regular ones who want to or are willing to work in these crap schools - that's the wrong funding. Yes it would be extra but it would just throwing good money after bad.

No amount of extra funding will change the personal ethos of the disruptive, stupid, lumpen pupils and their families in these crap schools and crap areas. SO parents who can see this take their children out of such schools and pay extra in private schools where the funding is not spent on coping with the dregs who set the tone and are permitted to set the tone by the education policy establishment.

These parents have perceived that these are sink schools because of the people who send their children there and not because of lack of funding and rather than battle the establishment - education academics, government bureaucrats, captains of the multicultural industry and lippy proles, chavs and assorted other agents of decline - , they have moved their kids to schools where they do not have to battle the agents of decline Parents who send their kids to private schools have given up on the public system in their area and have decided to let the sink schools sink.

Who are the crap ppl? the reason they are stupid is because of the education system. It should be fixed. Teach actual reading and writing and english and science. Pay the teachers a decent wage so they have motivation.

SOB

So you think everyone can be a genius? If every student doesn't achieve a 150+ IQ and an A++ on every test it's a failure of the teachers?

Google "the achievement gap."

Where exactly did I say that? Hmmmmm?

Poor doesnt equal stupid though.

SOB

FFS SOB, do you have to play this game? You clearly implied in the highlighted passage that you think better teachers = smarter students. It's a factor, but a minor one. Not everyone has the capacity or the will to learn.

Google the acheivement gap, and see the results, in the US especially, where they have thrown billions upon billions of dollars at it, only for the gap to stubbornly remain.

Better teachers = better educated students.

Poor does not = stupid

There are stupid ppl in private schools too

I see you have given up on your "facts" now. Its opinion until you show some evidence.

SOB

prove it. since you dont like to accept facts then show me studies that prove that better teachers = better students. and then show me why better PAID teachers = better teachers.

your 'argument' is NOTHING more than you own opinion supported by no facts and even less logic.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I told you its my opinion. And your "facts" are your opinion too unless you prove them.

SOB

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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #166 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

Spend what we have to to make public schools decent.

SOB

Being interested in education and being motivated to do well in schools is not something you can buy for money.

A lot of public schools are crap for reasons no money can fix. Many have reached a point where extra funding is not going to make any difference.

Extra funding to repair vandalism, to remove graffiti, to pay for teachers on stress leave, to pay for agency teachers because there are not enough regular ones who want to or are willing to work in these crap schools - that's the wrong funding. Yes it would be extra but it would just throwing good money after bad.

No amount of extra funding will change the personal ethos of the disruptive, stupid, lumpen pupils and their families in these crap schools and crap areas. SO parents who can see this take their children out of such schools and pay extra in private schools where the funding is not spent on coping with the dregs who set the tone and are permitted to set the tone by the education policy establishment.

These parents have perceived that these are sink schools because of the people who send their children there and not because of lack of funding and rather than battle the establishment - education academics, government bureaucrats, captains of the multicultural industry and lippy proles, chavs and assorted other agents of decline - , they have moved their kids to schools where they do not have to battle the agents of decline Parents who send their kids to private schools have given up on the public system in their area and have decided to let the sink schools sink.

Who are the crap ppl? the reason they are stupid is because of the education system. It should be fixed. Teach actual reading and writing and english and science. Pay the teachers a decent wage so they have motivation.

SOB

So you think everyone can be a genius? If every student doesn't achieve a 150+ IQ and an A++ on every test it's a failure of the teachers?

Google "the achievement gap."

Where exactly did I say that? Hmmmmm?

Poor doesnt equal stupid though.

SOB

FFS SOB, do you have to play this game? You clearly implied in the highlighted passage that you think better teachers = smarter students. It's a factor, but a minor one. Not everyone has the capacity or the will to learn.

Google the acheivement gap, and see the results, in the US especially, where they have thrown billions upon billions of dollars at it, only for the gap to stubbornly remain.

Better teachers = better educated students.

Poor does not = stupid

There are stupid ppl in private schools too

I see you have given up on your "facts" now. Its opinion until you show some evidence.

SOB

For gods sake I didn't even mention anything about money. I didn't say poor = stupid as a rule, but stupid people have greater odds of being poor, since they have fewer mental resources to focus on making money. Very simple stuff.

I said that some people don't have the ability to ever be considered intelligent. Others just don't want to be taught. Some suffer from both these problems. Throwing money won't change their genetic predisposition to intelligence. Throwing money at them won't make them want to learn.

The fact that ther are "stupid people in private schools" is neither here nor there - you're not listening to what is being said.

Googe the achievemnt gap for your facts.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #167 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:24pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm: Who are the crap ppl? People like this: This is part of an exhaustive sociological documentary.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #168 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:27pm

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

... wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

Spend what we have to to make public schools decent.

SOB

Being interested in education and being motivated to do well in schools is not something you can buy for money.

A lot of public schools are crap for reasons no money can fix. Many have reached a point where extra funding is not going to make any difference.

Extra funding to repair vandalism, to remove graffiti, to pay for teachers on stress leave, to pay for agency teachers because there are not enough regular ones who want to or are willing to work in these crap schools - that's the wrong funding. Yes it would be extra but it would just throwing good money after bad.

No amount of extra funding will change the personal ethos of the disruptive, stupid, lumpen pupils and their families in these crap schools and crap areas. SO parents who can see this take their children out of such schools and pay extra in private schools where the funding is not spent on coping with the dregs who set the tone and are permitted to set the tone by the education policy establishment.

These parents have perceived that these are sink schools because of the people who send their children there and not because of lack of funding and rather than battle the establishment - education academics, government bureaucrats, captains of the multicultural industry and lippy proles, chavs and assorted other agents of decline - , they have moved their kids to schools where they do not have to battle the agents of decline Parents who send their kids to private schools have given up on the public system in their area and have decided to let the sink schools sink.

Who are the crap ppl? the reason they are stupid is because of the education system. It should be fixed. Teach actual reading and writing and english and science. Pay the teachers a decent wage so they have motivation.

SOB

So you think everyone can be a genius? If every student doesn't achieve a 150+ IQ and an A++ on every test it's a failure of the teachers?

Google "the achievement gap."

Where exactly did I say that? Hmmmmm?

Poor doesnt equal stupid though.

SOB

FFS SOB, do you have to play this game? You clearly implied in the highlighted passage that you think better teachers = smarter students. It's a factor, but a minor one. Not everyone has the capacity or the will to learn.

Google the acheivement gap, and see the results, in the US especially, where they have thrown billions upon billions of dollars at it, only for the gap to stubbornly remain.

Better teachers = better educated students.

Poor does not = stupid

There are stupid ppl in private schools too

I see you have given up on your "facts" now. Its opinion until you show some evidence.

SOB

For gods sake I didn't even mention anything about money. I didn't say poor = stupid as a rule, but stupid people have greater odds of being poor, since they have fewer mental resources to focus on making money. Very simple stuff.

I said that some people don't have the ability to ever be considered intelligent. Others just don't want to be taught. Some suffer from both these problems. Throwing money won't change their genetic predisposition to intelligence. Throwing money at them won't make them want to learn.

The fact that ther are "stupid people in private schools" is neither here nor there - you're not listening to what is being said.
Googe the achievemnt gap for your facts.

that is the sum of his problem. It is a pity that as a Borg he doesn 'assimilate' a bright person. He sounds more liek he assimilated lastnail, vegy and pansi.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #169 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:28pm Soren wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 1:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 12:32pm: Who are the crap ppl? People like this: This is part of an exhaustive sociological documentary. Hahahahha. Summer heights high SOB
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education? Reply #170 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:28pm Quote: Throwing money won't change their genetic predisposition to intelligence. Throwing money at them won't make them want to learn. Adequate resources will help everyone reach their full potential. That should be a basic right in a country like ours.
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Re: Should taxpayer pay for private education?
Reply #171 - May 11^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 1:27pm: