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The two party system no longer works
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:45pm
 
It's been awhile since the last GoddyofOz editorial, so here is one that's about something that is nowhere near discussed enough.

Australia needs a third major party, and I'm not talking about a smaller arbiter like the Greens. I'm talking about a third powerhouse, similar to what the U.K has set up. The diversity of the demographics in this country has grown far too wide for two major parties to handle, especially as both of them continue their drift to the Right.

The toxic and hopeless situation that now encapsulates our politics would be solved with the formation of a new party that is fiscally conservative and socially progressive. If we are to be a truly democratic country, we have to be willing to meet each other half way.

As a Centre-Leftist, I would be willing to allow the Right to have their Fiscal Conservatism if they allowed us to have our Social Liberties. Fair enough deal or what?

It has to be better then the sh*thouse situation we have now, with a PM and Opposition leader nobody wants. We need this third party and we need it to be elected with a strong majority, so we can remind Labor, the labor movement, the Coalition and big business who it is exactly that they answer to.

Not to factions; not to powerbrokers; not to outside organisations; not to shareholders. They answer to US. The voters. The consumers. For without us, none of them would have a job at all.
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Re: The two party system no longer works
Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2012 at 6:47pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 6:45pm:
It's been awhile since the last GoddyofOz editorial, so here is one that's about something that is nowhere near discussed enough.

Australia needs a third major party, and I'm not talking about a smaller arbiter like the Greens. I'm talking about a third powerhouse, similar to what the U.K has set up. The diversity of the demographics in this country has grown far too wide for two major parties to handle, especially as both of them continue their drift to the Right.

The toxic and hopeless situation that now encapsulates our politics would be solved with the formation of a new party that is fiscally conservative and socially progressive. If we are to be a truly democratic country, we have to be willing to meet each other half way.

As a Centre-Leftist, I would be willing to allow the Right to have their Fiscal Conservatism if they allowed us to have our Social Liberties. Fair enough deal or what?

It has to be better then the sh*thouse situation we have now, with a PM and Opposition leader nobody wants. We need this third party and we need it to be elected with a strong majority, so we can remind Labor, the labor movement, the Coalition and big business who it is exactly that they answer to.

Not to factions; not to powerbrokers; not to outside organisations. They answer to US. The voters.


Well if the polls ring true it is a one party system.
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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2012 at 6:50pm
 
You already have all that, you are just after a free lunch.  Socially progressive?  WTF is that? Undecided
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Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
The problem is THEY dont want a 3rd party so it wont ever be an option. Didnt howard bring in some law about no more new parties starting up?

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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:01pm:
The problem is THEY dont want a 3rd party so it wont ever be an option. Didnt howard bring in some law about no more new parties starting up?

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First i heard of that, but thats no biggy. Does anyone have a story on this??
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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
There doesn't have to be this 'system' at all, though. People vote for the government. If people voted for the Greens in all 150 seats, then they would be the governing party, with all the seats in Parliament.

Yes, we always have a Liberal/National or Labor government (or hung with one of these, as is now) but that's because people vote that way. No one forces them to do so.
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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:12pm
 
john_g wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:
There doesn't have to be this 'system' at all, though. People vote for the government. If people voted for the Greens in all 150 seats, then they would be the governing party, with all the seats in Parliament.

Yes, we always have a Liberal/National or Labor government (or hung with one of these, as is now) but that's because people vote that way. No one forces them to do so.


That's because they believe the bullshit.

You need only look at the last election; Both parties go into election mode, promise a whole lot of sh!t then as soon as the election is over and they're in the clear, they go back to answering to Ideological factions.
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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:14pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:12pm:
john_g wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:
There doesn't have to be this 'system' at all, though. People vote for the government. If people voted for the Greens in all 150 seats, then they would be the governing party, with all the seats in Parliament.

Yes, we always have a Liberal/National or Labor government (or hung with one of these, as is now) but that's because people vote that way. No one forces them to do so.


That's because they believe the bullshit.

You need only look at the last election; Both parties go into election mode, promise a whole lot of sh!t then as soon as the election is over and they're in the clear, they go back to answering to Ideological factions.


IF that's why, and I dispute that it is, it's still the choice of the people, and it's democratic.
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Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:16pm
 
Social liberties are the centre piece of my thread on the Nanny State

I would advocate this social liberty if you can guarantee me your social liberty will not impact the rest of society
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Reply #9 - May 2nd, 2012 at 7:27pm
 
Maqqa wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:16pm:
Social liberties are the centre piece of my thread on the Nanny State

I would advocate this social liberty if you can guarantee me your social liberty will not impact the rest of society


And how exactly would what I do in my private life impact you, Maqqa?
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Reply #10 - May 2nd, 2012 at 8:25pm
 
The progressive nanny state has had its day.  Joe Hockey said the age of entitlement is over.  You get what you work for.
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Reply #11 - May 2nd, 2012 at 9:00pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 6:45pm:
It's been awhile since the last GoddyofOz editorial, so here is one that's about something that is nowhere near discussed enough.

Australia needs a third major party, and I'm not talking about a smaller arbiter like the Greens. I'm talking about a third powerhouse, similar to what the U.K has set up. The diversity of the demographics in this country has grown far too wide for two major parties to handle, especially as both of them continue their drift to the Right.

The toxic and hopeless situation that now encapsulates our politics would be solved with the formation of a new party that is fiscally conservative and socially progressive. If we are to be a truly democratic country, we have to be willing to meet each other half way.

As a Centre-Leftist, I would be willing to allow the Right to have their Fiscal Conservatism if they allowed us to have our Social Liberties. Fair enough deal or what?

It has to be better then the sh*thouse situation we have now, with a PM and Opposition leader nobody wants. We need this third party and we need it to be elected with a strong majority, so we can remind Labor, the labor movement, the Coalition and big business who it is exactly that they answer to.

Not to factions; not to powerbrokers; not to outside organisations; not to shareholders. They answer to US. The voters. The consumers. For without us, none of them would have a job at all.

To have a true Democracy, it should be compulsory for every politician to answer any correspondence from any citizen.
Questions like this should be answered in a true Democracy.

To
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Dear Mr.Farrell.
In your residents survey the last question states, “Did you know the government has cut taxes and increased pensions”?
I.am a part pensioner and last year I did not have to pay tax, but had to pay $320.00 Medicare levy, and that on a combined income of $38,000.00, yet an acquaintance of mine who has double my income was surprised that I had to pay the Medicare levy, because he did not have to pay any tax nor Medicare levy, because his income is from a so-called taxed super fund.

Three-pillar retirement policy.

Australia has a three-pillar approach to the provision of retirement incomes, the three pillars comprising a means tested age pension and associated social security arrangements, compulsory superannuation savings through the superannuation guarantee arrangements, and voluntary superannuation and other private savings.(Quotted by Bill Shorten)

This is very convenient for the government to keep the age pensioners which depend to some degree on the age pension as poor as possible by the means testing of the pension, while the voluntary and private savings provide the retirees in this group with huge tax benefits.

When the Howard government introduced the tax-free super for the over sixties, if the income came from a taxed fund, this gave people on high incomes huge tax savings possibilities.

According to OECD, Australian pensioners are the second poorest, after Ireland among the OECD countries, and this is due to the means testing of the age pension.

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Reply #12 - May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06pm
 
Employer funded superannuation costs jobs and is an entitlement that should go. Cool
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Reply #13 - May 2nd, 2012 at 9:41pm
 
The introduction of compulsory-optional preferential voting in some states will make it harder for third parties to compete.

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Is that a joke? Or are you trying to institutionalise the form letter?
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Reply #14 - May 2nd, 2012 at 10:17pm
 
john_g wrote on May 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:
There doesn't have to be this 'system' at all, though. People vote for the government. If people voted for the Greens in all 150 seats, then they would be the governing party, with all the seats in Parliament.

Yes, we always have a Liberal/National or Labor government (or hung with one of these, as is now) but that's because people vote that way. No one forces them to do so.



Yep, finally some sense.
These parties are always voted in, and it is we the voter who does it.
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