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Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:26pm
 
The Q1 2012 earnings conference call from Alcatel-Lucent has just come out, with an interesting tidbit re the NBN technology.

Alcatel (for those who don't know) are one of the World's largest vendors of equipment for Fibre To The Premises (ie our NBN) and Fibre To The Node/DSL (The coalition's alternative to the NBN) as well as assorted wireless and cellular telecommunication products such as LTE etc.

Their stuff includes GPON (gigabit passive optical network) which is what the NBN is using, and assorted FTTN-VDSL and ADSL copper technologies which is what the Coalition have proposed instead of the NBN.

Seems that Alcatel are now seeing in their bottom line what NBN proponents have been saying for some time: That copper FTTN is a dying, obsolete technology. The World is moving to full FTTP fibre networks.

In just the last 6 months, the revenue ratio of Fibre:Copper has gone from 21:79 to 50:50.

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And Wireline, not too long ago, actually 2 quarters ago, it was 21% fiber and 79% copper in Wireline business. Today, it's only -- it's almost 50-50, so a tremendous choice. We see build-out in Latin America, in Mexico, in Brazil, in Australia, in New Zealand, in China, and we are very well positioned. And I think this is going to be an extended life, and it certainly contributes to this picture when you can see that now for the first time, in spite of Frank's effort to exclude some of the business in this picture on HLN, that HLN is now almost 60% of what we do.

And if you look to the order book, the order book for HLN, so the next generation innovative product, is much better than the order book for the older part of the business. So I think this will continue the line.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/531201-alcatel-lucent-s-ceo-discusses-q1-2012-re...


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Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm
 
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?
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Reply #2 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 4:49pm
 
Where are the closet-NBN-lovers, I mean Howard-lovers, I wonder???????????

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Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 5:55pm
 
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:26pm:
The Q1 2012 earnings conference call from Alcatel-Lucent has just come out, with an interesting tidbit re the NBN technology.

Alcatel (for those who don't know) are one of the World's largest vendors of equipment for Fibre To The Premises (ie our NBN) and Fibre To The Node/DSL (The coalition's alternative to the NBN) as well as assorted wireless and cellular telecommunication products such as LTE etc.

Their stuff includes GPON (gigabit passive optical network) which is what the NBN is using, and assorted FTTN-VDSL and ADSL copper technologies which is what the Coalition have proposed instead of the NBN.

Seems that Alcatel are now seeing in their bottom line what NBN proponents have been saying for some time: That copper FTTN is a dying, obsolete technology. The World is moving to full FTTP fibre networks.

In just the last 6 months, the revenue ratio of Fibre:Copper has gone from 21:79 to 50:50.

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And Wireline, not too long ago, actually 2 quarters ago, it was 21% fiber and 79% copper in Wireline business. Today, it's only -- it's almost 50-50, so a tremendous choice. We see build-out in Latin America, in Mexico, in Brazil, in Australia, in New Zealand, in China, and we are very well positioned. And I think this is going to be an extended life, and it certainly contributes to this picture when you can see that now for the first time, in spite of Frank's effort to exclude some of the business in this picture on HLN, that HLN is now almost 60% of what we do.

And if you look to the order book, the order book for HLN, so the next generation innovative product, is much better than the order book for the older part of the business. So I think this will continue the line.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/531201-alcatel-lucent-s-ceo-discusses-q1-2012-re...


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Thats your idea of a compelling argument??? one company which sells a lot of technology has its profit increased and  more are now using fiber than copper?? do u understand so little of the deabte over the NBN that you think it is a TECHNICAL issue?
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Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:20pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 5:55pm:
Thats your idea of a compelling argument??? one company which sells a lot of technology has its profit increased and  more are now using fiber than copper?? do u understand so little of the debate over the NBN that you think it is a TECHNICAL issue?


Really?

Let's see, the coalition are still backing FTTN, so obviously they debate the technology.
Assorted clueless commentators and commenters still naively think we should be using some magical wireless technology, so they obviously think it's about technology.

As for the other debates surrounding the NBN, well Turnbull is gradually leaving them behind.

The latest version of his policy is for NBN Co to take over Telstra's "last mile" of copper and build an FTTN network using it. That means his previous arguments about private sector involvement are gone. It means his previous arguments about "the great big Govt monopoly" are gone too. The FTTN net would use the same PoI system as the NBN, so the too many/too few PoI argument is gone. He's touted speeds ranging from 50-80Mbps for FTTN, so the "nobody needs more than 12Mbps" argument is gone too.

Seems to me that the biggest argument the coalition have is the technology, and by extension the cost. But if you remove the tech argument, and agree with FTTP, then the cost argument is gone too.
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Reply #5 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.
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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:43pm
 
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.


what? you've never heard of packet sniffing? and every packet has a from IP address so... yeah they can spy quite easily. They can also operate a low-level filter with great ease. the NBN can decide to filter out IP addresses very easily and to do so without parliaments approval or involvement. They probably wont, but 'probably' doesnt fill me with confidence.
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Reply #7 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:57pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.


what? you've never heard of packet sniffing? and every packet has a from IP address so... yeah they can spy quite easily. They can also operate a low-level filter with great ease. the NBN can decide to filter out IP addresses very easily and to do so without parliaments approval or involvement. They probably wont, but 'probably' doesnt fill me with confidence.


Packet sniffing does you no good if you're using a secure server or secure proxy server.

They may technically be able to filter IPs (although given the network design, I'm skeptical), but then you could just use a proxy to get past that too.
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Reply #8 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:13pm
 
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.


what? you've never heard of packet sniffing? and every packet has a from IP address so... yeah they can spy quite easily. They can also operate a low-level filter with great ease. the NBN can decide to filter out IP addresses very easily and to do so without parliaments approval or involvement. They probably wont, but 'probably' doesnt fill me with confidence.


Packet sniffing does you no good if you're using a secure server or secure proxy server.

They may technically be able to filter IPs (although given the network design, I'm skeptical), but then you could just use a proxy to get past that too.


congratulations einstein... you worked that out all on your own? and exactly how many people use encrypted proxies???? almost nobody. Proxies are dead slow anyhow and many functins wont work on them. internet censoring en masse will lead to large scale encrypted services specifically to avoid censorship but for today the VAST amount of internet traffic is is unecypted, easily censored and easily traced.
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Reply #9 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:13pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.


what? you've never heard of packet sniffing? and every packet has a from IP address so... yeah they can spy quite easily. They can also operate a low-level filter with great ease. the NBN can decide to filter out IP addresses very easily and to do so without parliaments approval or involvement. They probably wont, but 'probably' doesnt fill me with confidence.


Packet sniffing does you no good if you're using a secure server or secure proxy server.

They may technically be able to filter IPs (although given the network design, I'm skeptical), but then you could just use a proxy to get past that too.


congratulations einstein... you worked that out all on your own? and exactly how many people use encrypted proxies???? almost nobody. Proxies are dead slow anyhow and many functins wont work on them. internet censoring en masse will lead to large scale encrypted services specifically to avoid censorship but for today the VAST amount of internet traffic is is unecypted, easily censored and easily traced.


Of course it is, because nobody cares. If people care, then they can get around it.
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Reply #10 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:44pm
 
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:13pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
NBNMyths wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Prevailing wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
No body will sign on because of the new anti privacy
laws.  What idiot would let the Government charge them to spy on them?


1. What anti-privacy laws are those? Link to Bills, Acts or even proposed bills please.

2. The NBN is a dumb layer-2 network. "The Govt" cannot spy on the data travelling over it, because NBN Co have no idea where the data is coming from or where it's going. Only the ISP knows that information. All NBN Co know is that "service 123 is through iiNet and has a port speed of 100Mbps", and they charge the ISP accordingly.

If you're still paranoid about it, you can always use a secure proxy server which will mean that even your ISP doesn't know what data your getting, or where it's coming from.


what? you've never heard of packet sniffing? and every packet has a from IP address so... yeah they can spy quite easily. They can also operate a low-level filter with great ease. the NBN can decide to filter out IP addresses very easily and to do so without parliaments approval or involvement. They probably wont, but 'probably' doesnt fill me with confidence.


Packet sniffing does you no good if you're using a secure server or secure proxy server.

They may technically be able to filter IPs (although given the network design, I'm skeptical), but then you could just use a proxy to get past that too.


congratulations einstein... you worked that out all on your own? and exactly how many people use encrypted proxies???? almost nobody. Proxies are dead slow anyhow and many functins wont work on them. internet censoring en masse will lead to large scale encrypted services specifically to avoid censorship but for today the VAST amount of internet traffic is is unecypted, easily censored and easily traced.


Of course it is, because nobody cares. If people care, then they can get around it.


not exactly the point tho, is it. All the govt needs to do is to ban encrypted connections. They aer pretty easy to detect. Perhaps the better idea is to not have a censorship regime or intention in the first place. but at tleast the NBN will make censorship easy and simple and without needing it to be run past parliament.
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