freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:58pm:


Freediver are you referring to rape in its historical lingusitic sense or are you referring to how feminists and subsequently, politicians in Australia according to latest fashion have defined it?

Do you define a word by how Australian politicians have legislated?


Historically, in English language the term "rape" meant to seize something by force which someone had no right to.

The English word "rape" comes to us from the Latin "raptus" which meant kidnapping or abduction.

Does a husband have the right to have sex with his wife?

If a husband does have the right to have sex with his wife, then what you are referring to is something other than rape (ignoring Australia's politicians' definition).

If he does not have the right, then you would be correct to call it rape.

So at the crux of the question is our understanding of marriage.

What is marriage?

Is a marriage a union of two people?

Do we accept that a husband feeds himself and starves his wife?

Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband fed denied his wife food or clothing.

Does marriage mean a union of two people who share what they have?

Wikipedia describes marriage as:

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Some of the older English dictionaries describe marriage as union between a man and a woman.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines marriage as:

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Do we look at marriage as a spiritual and physical union or through the prism of individualism promoted in the West?

The term "rape" implies no legal right to access. Does a husband have no right to his wife?

So what is marriage? Has it become a meaningless term in the West.

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:



Is it logical to think that a husband does not have a right to have sex with his wife?

What is your definition of marriage Freediver? Two random people with no rights over each other whatsoever?

Can you explain what your definition of rape is Freediver? Do you automatically refer to Australian law as though it is infallible?

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Sex between consenting adults is a right. Rape is not a right. It is not logical to confuse the two. They key to rape is consent, not the 'right to rape'.

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Marriage does entail a few legal and moral rights over the other person, but none that are relevant here. Everything else in marriage is voluntary, including sex.

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Sex without consent.

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It has a pretty good grasp of rape and consent. Do you reject Australia's rape laws?

According to Abu the purpose is to humiliate your wife into submission. I still think a soggy miswak would do that better than a stick. A stick would just make her angry. Maybe that's just a sign of the times.

Falah were you always this confused about the meaning of consent, or is it only since you became a Muslim?

falah wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:



Are you making another funny, Falah?

I laughed - not because I doubt you - you could be Johnny Depp with a beard for all I know, but just because it is so unlike anything I've read from you.


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No you wouldn't.

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I have never said a negative word about my husband on this forum. I was talking about the reward in heaven for pious Muslim women - the way most Muslim men relay it, she's getting a bit ripped off.


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Yes. I think he likes it.

In "Distant View of a Minaret," the late and much-neglected Egyptian writer Alifa Rifaat begins her short story with a woman so unmoved by sex with her husband that as he focuses solely on his pleasure, she notices a spider web she must sweep off the ceiling and has time to ruminate on her husband's repeated refusal to prolong intercourse until she too climaxes, "as though purposely to deprive her." Just as her husband denies her an orgasm, the call to prayer interrupts his, and the man leaves. After washing up, she loses herself in prayer -- so much more satisfying that she can't wait until the next prayer -- and looks out onto the street from her balcony. She interrupts her reverie to make coffee dutifully for her husband to drink after his nap. Taking it to their bedroom to pour it in front of him as he prefers, she notices he is dead. She instructs their son to go and get a doctor. "She returned to the living room and poured out the coffee for herself. She was surprised at how calm she was," Rifaat writes.

In a crisp three-and-a-half pages, Rifaat lays out a trifecta of sex, death, and religion, a bulldozer that crushes denial and defensiveness to get at the pulsating heart of misogyny in the Middle East. There is no sugarcoating it. They don't hate us because of our freedoms, as the tired, post-9/11 American cliché had it. We have no freedoms because they hate us, as this Arab woman so powerfully says.

Yes: They hate us. It must be said.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us

What's the age of consent for marriage in muslim society?
Is it true your leader married a 12 year old kid?
Is it true men stone women to death?
If any of the above are true and you are a true believer do you consider yourself fit to live amongst us?
Because I don't.