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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #210 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Why does israel not want peace?

SOB

I think it's for the same reasons half of your cat's face is missing.

And your nose.

SOB,
the answer to your question - Why does israel not want peace? - is: NOSEPIECE!!
It's that little peice of metal (It's always something simple, innit, SOB). Phew!! Now we know, thanks to Git. Thanks, Git!

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #211 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

falah wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Why does israel not want peace?

SOB

They DO...they just won't commit national suicide to get it...

Do they? Is that why Israel has rejected every peace deal? Only one Israeli pm came close to making peace, and he was assassinated for crazy Jews for his effort.

Yep, that's why

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #212 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Why does israel not want peace?

SOB

It is the muslims who dont want peace you ignorant retard.

Here is an Egyptian cleric telling you why the jews are hated, there are subtitles for dole bludgers like you who cannot afford a $15 set of speakers.

We are talking about israel and palestinians. Did you type in the wrong thread?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #213 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:47pm Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm: Why does israel not want peace? SOB I think it's for the same reasons half of your cat's face is missing. Ahhh the brilliant voice of intelligence. . . . . SOB
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Reply #214 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Why does israel not want peace?

SOB

I think it's for the same reasons half of your cat's face is missing.

Ahhh the brilliant voice of intelligence. . . . .

SOB

Well, it's a damn sight more intelligent than your stupid question. ANy answer to your stupid questions is bound to be more intelligent than the question, by definition.

I have a question like "Why does israel not want peace?" for you:

" SOB, why don't you stop beating your wife meat?"

Be honest now.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #215 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm So. Have we settled why israel doesnt want peace yet? imo its because they want to carry on with their atrocities. SOB
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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #216 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Why does israel not want peace?

SOB

I think it's for the same reasons half of your cat's face is missing.

Ahhh the brilliant voice of intelligence. . . . .

SOB

Well, it's a damn sight more intelligent than your stupid question. ANy answer to your stupid questions is bound to be more intelligent than the question, by definition.

I have a question like "Why does israel not want peace?" for you:

" SOB, why don't you stop beating your wife meat?"

Be honest now.

Soren you fooking idiot, you are amazingly thick.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #218 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:57pm

Lets look at our Muslim and Jew members as a guide. On the one hand we have Avram who has experienced the conflict first hand and who has expressed a desire for peace, for a two state solution, and who has actually demonstrated a willingness to not respond to violence from the other side in an effort to achieve peace. On the other hand we have Falah and Abu, who are busy predicting the total destruction of Israel, who use it's imminent demise as a reason for Palestinians not to surrender in a war they lost decades ago, and who call for the mass forced migration of Israeli Jews out of the area.

Despite the obvious differences in standards, we have people like Spot and puppet who think it is people like Avram who are to blame and who cannot even acknowledge the reality of how the two different sides are approaching the conflict, even when it is right in front of them in black and white.

If they are anything to go by, it is the Muslims that are the problem. Given that the palestinian authorities could not even control their own people if they wanted to, it is hard to see peace in the near future.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #219 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

So. Have we settled why israel doesnt want peace yet?

imo its because they want to carry on with their atrocities.

SOB

And you're 'imo' would be 100% wrong...Israel DOES want peace...it's the Pally's' that don't...

Round and round we go.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/us-palestinians-abbas-idUSBRE8540YN201...

Think they will accept that? Why are they trying to build 800 more settlements in west bank?

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(Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged Israel on Tuesday to accept a two-state solution based on 1967 borders, warning that the opportunity "may not stay on the table for a long time" given the political upheavals caused by the Arab Spring.

Abbas set out the Palestinian case for statehood and full U.N. membership at a World Economic Forum conference in Istanbul, stressing that membership of the United Nations should not prejudice negotiations with Israel.

"I would like to address our Israeli neighbors and say we are seekers of peace and freedom and our people made a major sacrifice when they accepted establishing their state on less than a quarter of the area of historical Palestine," Abbas said.

"So do not turn your backs on this opportunity ... this opportunity may not stay on the table for a long time because the region is witnessing rapid developments," he said.

During the past year popular revolts have ousted Arab autocrats and dictators across North Africa and the Middle East, upset the U.S. foreign policy equation in the region and further isolated Israel.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told the conference the Palestinian issue remained the "the most important problem threatening peace and stability in the region", and said there was mounting anger with Israel over its policies.

Erdogan became a hero for many Arabs for publicly upbraiding Israeli President Shimon Peres at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2009 over the killing of civilians in an offensive on the Palestinian Gaza enclave, and he again highlighted the plight of Palestinians living there under an Israeli blockade.

"People are being held captive in the world's largest open air prison and at the same time on the other side a large-scale rage is being pumped across the whole region," Erdogan said.

The Palestinian Authority wants its state firmly in the context of territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War as this would provide clear terms of reference and would mean Israel could no longer call the land "disputed."

In a dramatic move last September, Abbas submitted a U.N. membership application for a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, despite strong opposition from Israel and the United States, which say Middle East peace can come only through Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

The application was held up at the committee stage, and the Palestinians have not so far requested a formal vote in the Security Council.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to Palestinian-Israeli negotiations has been the issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and Abbas called on U.N. Security Council members to exert pressure on Israel to stop building settlements.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #220 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:25pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

Is the use of human shields considered a war crime?
Is firing rockets from civilian apartment buildings a war crime?
Are you saying that Israel should not respoind when the other side does the occasional war crime?

Why do the leftards ignore the war crimes done by Israel's enemies?

How does becoming a war criminal yourself justify your position? Become a war criminal and you just make the other side's position equal to your own and therefore just as acceptable.

An eye for an eye is a stupid code to follow. By following it you eventually get to the point where nazi extermination camps are quite acceptable and even reasonable. Is that what Israel wants? I'd hope not.

You think the Nazis were merely taking an eye for an eye? Hitler was much closer to Muhammed. Muhammed had to slaughter a lot of Jews before they finally learnt to welcome him with open arms.

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #221 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:51pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

So. Have we settled why israel doesnt want peace yet?

imo its because they want to carry on with their atrocities.

SOB

And you're 'imo' would be 100% wrong...Israel DOES want peace...it's the Pally's' that don't...

Round and round we go.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/us-palestinians-abbas-idUSBRE8540YN201...

Think they will accept that? Why are they trying to build 800 more settlements in west bank?

SOB

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(Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged Israel on Tuesday to accept a two-state solution based on 1967 borders, warning that the opportunity "may not stay on the table for a long time" given the political upheavals caused by the Arab Spring.

Abbas set out the Palestinian case for statehood and full U.N. membership at a World Economic Forum conference in Istanbul, stressing that membership of the United Nations should not prejudice negotiations with Israel.

"I would like to address our Israeli neighbors and say we are seekers of peace and freedom and our people made a major sacrifice when they accepted establishing their state on less than a quarter of the area of historical Palestine," Abbas said.

"So do not turn your backs on this opportunity ... this opportunity may not stay on the table for a long time because the region is witnessing rapid developments," he said.

During the past year popular revolts have ousted Arab autocrats and dictators across North Africa and the Middle East, upset the U.S. foreign policy equation in the region and further isolated Israel.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told the conference the Palestinian issue remained the "the most important problem threatening peace and stability in the region", and said there was mounting anger with Israel over its policies.

Erdogan became a hero for many Arabs for publicly upbraiding Israeli President Shimon Peres at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2009 over the killing of civilians in an offensive on the Palestinian Gaza enclave, and he again highlighted the plight of Palestinians living there under an Israeli blockade.

"People are being held captive in the world's largest open air prison and at the same time on the other side a large-scale rage is being pumped across the whole region," Erdogan said.

The Palestinian Authority wants its state firmly in the context of territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War as this would provide clear terms of reference and would mean Israel could no longer call the land "disputed."

In a dramatic move last September, Abbas submitted a U.N. membership application for a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, despite strong opposition from Israel and the United States, which say Middle East peace can come only through Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

The application was held up at the committee stage, and the Palestinians have not so far requested a formal vote in the Security Council.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to Palestinian-Israeli negotiations has been the issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and Abbas called on U.N. Security Council members to exert pressure on Israel to stop building settlements.

Hmm, and??

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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
Reply #222 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

So. Have we settled why israel doesnt want peace yet?

imo its because they want to carry on with their atrocities.

SOB

And you're 'imo' would be 100% wrong...Israel DOES want peace...it's the Pally's' that don't...

Round and round we go.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/us-palestinians-abbas-idUSBRE8540YN201...

Think they will accept that? Why are they trying to build 800 more settlements in west bank?

SOB

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(Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged Israel on Tuesday to accept a two-state solution based on 1967 borders, warning that the opportunity "may not stay on the table for a long time" given the political upheavals caused by the Arab Spring.

Abbas set out the Palestinian case for statehood and full U.N. membership at a World Economic Forum conference in Istanbul, stressing that membership of the United Nations should not prejudice negotiations with Israel.

"I would like to address our Israeli neighbors and say we are seekers of peace and freedom and our people made a major sacrifice when they accepted establishing their state on less than a quarter of the area of historical Palestine," Abbas said.

"So do not turn your backs on this opportunity ... this opportunity may not stay on the table for a long time because the region is witnessing rapid developments," he said.

During the past year popular revolts have ousted Arab autocrats and dictators across North Africa and the Middle East, upset the U.S. foreign policy equation in the region and further isolated Israel.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told the conference the Palestinian issue remained the "the most important problem threatening peace and stability in the region", and said there was mounting anger with Israel over its policies.

Erdogan became a hero for many Arabs for publicly upbraiding Israeli President Shimon Peres at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2009 over the killing of civilians in an offensive on the Palestinian Gaza enclave, and he again highlighted the plight of Palestinians living there under an Israeli blockade.

"People are being held captive in the world's largest open air prison and at the same time on the other side a large-scale rage is being pumped across the whole region," Erdogan said.

The Palestinian Authority wants its state firmly in the context of territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War as this would provide clear terms of reference and would mean Israel could no longer call the land "disputed."

In a dramatic move last September, Abbas submitted a U.N. membership application for a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, despite strong opposition from Israel and the United States, which say Middle East peace can come only through Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

The application was held up at the committee stage, and the Palestinians have not so far requested a formal vote in the Security Council.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to Palestinian-Israeli negotiations has been the issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and Abbas called on U.N. Security Council members to exert pressure on Israel to stop building settlements.

Hmm, and??

Think they will accept that? Why are they trying to build 800 more settlements in west bank?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Israel and the Palestinians Reply #223 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:10pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:06pm: Why does israel not want peace? SOB We withdraw all forces from Gaza because we were tired of waiting for Palestinians to agree among themselves. You think we would do that if we did not want peace?
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Reply #224 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 9:11pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

[quote author=11322D361D2D241D002D3025420 link=1334533098/215#215 date=1339481012]So. Have we settled why israel doesnt want peace yet?

imo its because they want to carry on with their atrocities.

SOB

And you're 'imo' would be 100% wrong...Israel DOES want peace...it's the Pally's' that don't...

Round and round we go.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/us-palestinians-abbas-idUSBRE8540YN201...

Think they will accept that? Why are they trying to build 800 more settlements in west bank?

SOB

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(Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged Israel on Tuesday to accept a two-state solution based on 1967 borders, warning that the opportunity "may not stay on the table for a long time" given the political upheavals caused by the Arab Spring.

"■The Palestinian leadership is fixated on attempting to press foreign governments and the UN to recognize a unilaterally declared Palestinian state within the “1967 borders.” Indeed, this campaign appeared to have some initial successes in December 2010 when both Argentina and Brazil decided to recognize a Palestinian state within what they described as the “1967 borders.”
■But such borders do not exist and have no basis in history, law, or fact. The only line that ever existed was the 1949 armistice demarcation line, based on the ceasefire lines of the Israeli and Arab armies pending agreement on permanent peace."

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