Grey wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:


Still no argument, i just don't buy into the argument between science and religion, it is not an Atheist argument.

Grey wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:


I see the point and you are right. Why not use the tools available when taking a position. I am an Atheist and have arrived there after years of having religion shoved down my throat as a child and then the time as an adult to clear my mind of the indoctrinated default position.

I will argue anytime over the social disfunction and psychological damage done by religion and its organisations and will use science where required but understand as well as any that when addressing faith it does not matter what you say, do or present as evidence it will not move the faithful. They must be seeking knowledge and understanding before they can see the evidence. Remember Pell has as much to defend as anyone, it is the basis of his whole existence, his life's commitment. Dawkins is sitting there telling him he has wasted everything on a fairy tale. For Pell and all those faithful this is not  some idiot but a vicious terrorist trying to destroy their whole existence.