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THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE!
Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:03pm

This time I am serious. This is racing nation. Australian racing is the best in the world.

So where are all the punters?

But this will change. I'm here now, so BEWARE!

I've followed the nags most of my life. One elderly racing editor once said I would be better if I used a bucket and spade, but that is definitely the last joke I shall ever say about horse racing because it is a serious business, so there.

I also asked for a hot tip and he said a girl could do that but only by sitting on a jockey's knee.

AND THAT'S definitely the last!

But even when I can't back the horses through lack of $s, I still watch them on TV. And if I pick a winner I can at least say I am on form.

I'm not a big punter the most I have ever put on a horse was$100. The horse was Maguire in the Auckland Cup and I received $1000, then turned into $3000 by collecting the quinella and the double in the next race.

I turned $20 into $1600 by backing Rojan Josh to win the MC in September at 80-1.

I also turned $10 into three grand with a four horse multi to place. I had so much money on the final horse that I actually saw my dosh go on- the runner dropped two points in the betting when it did. Someone said "What if it loses?" and had to remind her I had only bet ten bucks.

I have given up going to the races, because whenever I do I lose.

But then of course there are those losing days, the long periods when you just can't pick a winner and so on. But real punters never mention those.

I take two approaches:

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Never bet money you cannot afford to lose

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Reply #1 - Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:16pm

Right, some tips for Saturday.

Melbourne and Brisbane, stay home.

But Sydney looks very interesting.

R1: Looks like Pierro but chicken feed only

R2: Keep your hand in your pockets and don't play with anything while you do

R3:Samaready, but see 1

R4 Looks hard but a bit to place on Dealer Principal or Beijing Boy could be profitable

R5 SHOOT OUT is my bet of the day. Waller has this horse flying, the field is tough, but he is up to it. Also he owes me a lot of money

R6: Tomboy looks great in Brisbane but whether up to the Sydney company is questionable, but worth a small each way

R7 Rekindled Interest looks good but Niconoise could be worth something each way

Then go home before the last race.

Good punting!

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philperth2010 Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #2 - Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:17pm Not a horse racing person Pete.....I have mates who are gamblers though.....$20 on the Melbourne Cup is about my limit and a punt on the AFL Grand Final.....Seams like a mugs game to me!!!
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Reply #3 - Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:44pm

Of course its a mugs game......but great fun if you can keep to my two rules.

I hated racing with a passion till a mate persuaded me to come along. My first bet was $1 and I won $1.20 and was hooked.

Its not the money, that's incidental. Its a good day out even if you spend nothing. Just watch thoroughbred horses for a while and tell me if you have ever seen a more beautiful animal other than the missus.

Two-year-olds are great to watch, they're new and curious, everything is an adventure for them. Juvenile form is often the most reliable, but then you get one that takes off for the outside fence, decides to run the other way or just sits down and refuses to move.

Try watching it on TV for a bit. If you don't like it, okay, but don't knock it without trying, you could be missing great fun.

It is also a dangerous sport. But shortly after his brother died in tragic circumstances, top jockey Damien Oliver not only rode a horse in the Melbourne Cup but won the thing with ease.

As he passed the post he sat up in the saddle, waved his whip in the air and yelled "JASON THIS IS FOR YOU!" Watch a movie called "The Cup" and you might just get hooked.

What Oliver did was really dangerous, and is normally fined. But if the stewards had gone near him that day well, Flemington would have no longer had a grandstand.

Surely a sport that can rouse such naked passion is worth at least a look.

Either way good luck. All you have to lose is the entrance fee, which could be up to $50 for the Cup, but for lesser meetings it is often free. There has to be a raceourse near you because this is Australia. Where I live I can reach seven by driving less than an hour. Shocked

If you think it is cruel, yes it can be. But horses love to run or they wouldn't do it.

You may have heard of an NZ mare could Sunline. A day or two before a big race in Sydney, she walked past her greatest rival Shogun Lodge. She tried to take a piece out of him.

At the end of the race Shogun looked as if he was going to pass the great mare but didn't quite make it because he was thinking: "I'm not letting that NZ bitch do that to ME again!.

Racing is not called the Sport of Kings for nothing. It is life, it is theatre and the greatest sport in the world.

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Reply #4 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 3:37am

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Right, some tips for Saturday.

Melbourne and Brisbane, stay home.

But Sydney looks very interesting.

R1: Looks like Pierro but chicken feed only

R2: Keep your hand in your pockets and don't play with anything while you do

R3:Samaready, but see 1

R4 Looks hard but a bit to place on Dealer Principal or Beijing Boy could be profitable

R5 SHOOT OUT is my bet of the day. Waller has this horse flying, the field is tough, but he is up to it. Also he owes me a lot of money

R6: Tomboy looks great in Brisbane but whether up to the Sydney company is questionable, but worth a small each way

R7 Rekindled Interest looks good but Niconoise could be worth something each way

Then go home before the last race.

Good punting!

Scarlett Lady might be a threat. At 3.40 Shoot Out doesn't have enough value for mine. But that's race 6 not 5.

I'm with you with Pierro and Samaready, though not much point if they are starting odds on.

I was hoping everybody else stayed off tomboy in race 7. What about Red Tracer?

I was looking at Beijing Boy if it doesn't shorten, but Dealer Principal wasn't factoring at all. I'll go back and have another look.

I'm quite interested in Wild and Proud in the 8th so I hope you're wrong with Rekindled Interest.

I'm skipping the 5th but hanging around for Panipique in the last.

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Reply #5 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 3:34pm

Aha, a man who knows what's he's doing! Thank God you you, MOTR!

Scarlett Lady is good, but she failed her only time out of Queensland. This is a big step up and I'll be looking on this time.

Red Tracer needs rain. So if you are in Sydney look out the window.

Dealer Principal is a real roughie and not worth more than a small bet each way.

Little Ronnie Dufficy is the best tipster in Oz IMHO. He also suggested Trusting and Hurtle Myrtle. Trusting is a bit of a punt, but HM should definitely be on the list.

BTW, given my surname there is a possibility I may be related to a group of men who do something occasionally on a racetrack.Answer is I don't know for sure, but Mrs F often sees Lee on the TV and sez: "Gees that looks like you".

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Reply #6 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 4:18pm

But I can tell you a story about Sunline.

For about eight years I contributed as peterf on a forum called racehorsetalk.com.au.

It was fun particularly if you can find any battles between myself and a definitely bipolar Perth taxidriver called fire zuki. We actually ended up good mates and he bought me a birthday present.

Then I was locked out simply for suggesting to a moderator that maybe they should have a committee to decide punishments, rather than him doing it all himself.

But for years on the forum I had a mate you called himself Sunline, I think his name was Steve Jones, but not sure. Turned out he was a Sunine groupie and followed the mare whever she went. He was a mate of Thayne Green one of the owners.

In 2002 Steve suggested we should come over to Sydney because he had a mate with a horse running in the Doncaster.....

We met Trevor and Stephen McKee and you couldn't find two nicer people. But the joy of the day was Dot, Thayne's wife, a lovely woman who left an indelible memory.

We also spent time with Claire Bird the strapper who was Sunline's best mate. Brilliant horsewoman and great personality.

Anyway, we spent the day finding out what it was like to be a Sunline owner. When the mare won the Doncaster of course the place was chaos, but after the presentation it was into the secretary's office for French champagne.

We stepped back but Trevor would have none of it.

"C'mon, you're part of the team" he insisted.

So it was Moet at Randwick then a slap up meal at some flash Chinese restaurant and then a ride home.

I spent the night yarning with Greg Childs and he was also a tremendous guy.

We had an amazing day and weren't allowed to pay for anything.

And in our lounge we have pix of Sunline with Claire Bird, Shogun Lodge with Sunline and Bob Thomsen and Shogun Lodge. We also have lots of pix of Mrs F with Sunline. Unfortunately it never occurred to me to get a pic of me with Sunline!

Strangely when our furniture was collected to be sent to Oz one of the moving men asked "How is it you have a photo of your wife and that great racehorse?"

Before we went Ray Mabey, Carolyn's Dad told her: "Don't imagine you'll ever get even near Sunline, look how valuable she is!"

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Reply #7 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 4:27pm

Oh, all of the people on our table, Carolyn and I were the only ones to eat pepper prawns.

But there's more. We have an old, very cantankerous Yellow Lab we called Sunline. She is almost blind, bumps into everything and never stops wagging her tail.

Still more: Our other Lab unfortunately had a fatal argument with a car at Eastbourne in Wellington. We named him Kirrama because I had made a bit off a 3-y-0 of the same name.

Recently two friends of ours moved into a new home. The road just round the corner is called Kirrama Place.....

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #8 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 5:46pm Sunline did good for a New Zealander. I think at one stage she was considered the highest earning race mare of her generation. Two Cox Plates and two Doncasters says it all. Right up there with those Australian champions Phar Lap and Carbine.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #9 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 6:03pm I make bets but am not a gambler; if you’re smart and not impulsive there is a lot of money to be made. I have never once lost money on a bet
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Reply #10 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:03pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 6:03pm:

I make bets but am not a gambler; if you’re smart and not impulsive there is a lot of money to be made.

I have never once lost money on a bet

You're right there is a lot of money to be made, but very little if you're unprepared to make a loss on a reasonable overlay. Bookies win on the swings cause they're prepared to lose on the roundabouts.

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Reply #11 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 9:27pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 6:03pm:

I make bets but am not a gambler; if you’re smart and not impulsive there is a lot of money to be made.

I have never once lost money on a bet

You're right there is a lot of money to be made, but very little if you're unprepared to make a loss on a reasonable overlay. Bookies win on the swings cause they're prepared to lose on the roundabouts.

I make many bets and have never lost money

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #12 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 1:32am Just one possibility for Caulfield is Specter. A Freedman horse of course.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #13 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 2:12am i'm not a gambling man, but I go to the races to see a champion. If Black Caviar was racing in Perth I'd do the 5-600k round trip.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE! Reply #14 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 3:05am WTF are you doing up at this time of night? Go to bed immediately or it's the naughty chair for you.
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