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Reply #90 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 12:45am
 

Congratulations to Clive Palmer for proving Wayne Swan right. What a di*khead.
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Reply #91 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:35am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:58pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 4:40pm:
I wonder why the liberal party havent taken it to court earlier.  They are the ones most opposed to it, and Abbott staked his life on stopping it.


Seems odd that they get someone outside government to do their bidding .



Abbott is not silly. He would want the carbon tax lie to come to fruition. Once that happens, it is set in stone and branded in the peoples minds for decades.



I think almost a certainty that once it comes in nobody will notice and people may realise just who has really been telling the biggest lies.

It can only work in Abbnott's favour to stop it.

That is what you are hoping I'm sure. To me it doesn't matter if it is felt in the hip pocket or not. If it is there, it is a reminder of what a lying deceiving government labor were/are
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Reply #92 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 6:07am
 
Palmer claims discrimination
David Wroe and Peter Ker
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MINING billionaire Clive Palmer claimed yesterday the federal government was discriminating against his company Queensland Nickel as he vowed to press ahead with his High Court challenge against the carbon tax.   Cry

His remarks came as legal experts confirmed there were constitutional grounds on which the carbon tax could be challenged, though it was not clear whether any such case could succeed.

Mr Palmer told The Age yesterday that his legal advice would be finalised by the end of next week and the Queensland Nickel board would probably lodge documents with the High Court by April.



Prime Minister Julia Gillard, along with several senior colleagues, insisted that the carbon tax was legally watertight.   Smiley

Mr Palmer said his lawyers had advised him there were several avenues under which the carbon tax was unconstitutional. But one particular issue was that his company was getting less compensation under the carbon tax than rivals BHP Billiton and Glencore.   Cry

''You can't treat citizens that way,'' he said. ''You can't discriminate. I guess a company is like a person. You can't discriminate based on race, based on colour, based on ethnicity.

''You can't be discriminated [against] based on what you actually do either. If you're a doctor or a lawyer, you pay the same tax.''

He declined to say who was giving him legal advice, except that they were ''all senior counsels with experience in the High Court''.

His lawyers told him the tax was unconstitutional and ''we've got an obligation to those families [employed at Queensland Nickel] to act on that legal advice'', he added.

Ms Gillard said the government had ''taken careful constitutional advice and legal advice at every stage'' as it developed its legislation.

A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Greg Combet rejected Mr Palmer's claim that his company would get less compensation, and the government was still awaiting audited data from nickel producers that would then be included in the compensation regulations.   Wink

Greg Craven, a law professor and vice-chancellor of the Australian Catholic University, said the carbon tax was ''inherently complicated'' and ''was always going to end up in the High Court''.

It raised questions about the scope of taxation power, the rights of the states, the Commonwealth's power to make laws binding the states, and the compulsory acquisition of property.

''If you were looking for a law that was born to be challenged, this is it, because there are billions of dollars at stake.''

Roland Burt, a principal at Macpherson and Kelley Lawyers, singled out three potential avenues for a challenge, involving Commonwealth external powers, the federal government's power to impose taxes on the states, and the issue of whether tax law could be bundled up with other legislation. ''Clive Palmer will have some of the best legal minds in the country at his disposal and they will certainly put a powerful case,'' he said. ''But my guess is the government has thought about it all carefully enough to design it in a way that will probably - but by no means certainly - survive the challenge.''   Smiley

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/palmer-claims-discrimination-20120315-1v89f.html#ixzz1pDYbPCwP
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Reply #93 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:22am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:35am:
That is what you are hoping I'm sure. To me it doesn't matter if it is felt in the hip pocket or not. If it is there, it is a reminder of what a lying deceiving government labor were/are


And of course you have absolutely no partisan reason for saying this.  Tongue
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Reply #94 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:11am
 
Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:22am:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:35am:
That is what you are hoping I'm sure. To me it doesn't matter if it is felt in the hip pocket or not. If it is there, it is a reminder of what a lying deceiving government labor were/are


And of course you have absolutely no partisan reason for saying this.  Tongue

I do now, since labor have been wasteful, incompetent and icing on cake, lied to me to get into power. Am I the only one who thinks/feels this way. Not on your life.
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Reply #95 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:11am:
Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:22am:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:35am:
That is what you are hoping I'm sure. To me it doesn't matter if it is felt in the hip pocket or not. If it is there, it is a reminder of what a lying deceiving government labor were/are


And of course you have absolutely no partisan reason for saying this.  Tongue

I do now, since labor have been wasteful, incompetent and icing on cake, lied to me to get into power. Am I the only one who thinks/feels this way. Not on your life.



So you voted Labor based on no carbon tax?

I doubt it - in fact the promise probably cost them votes at the time.

So Labors position was to support a price on carbon Gillard promised it would not be a tax, So you are saying that you support any other price mechanism to be put on carbon emissions?

The net difference to costing carbon via a trading scheme compared to a fixed price is about zero to anybody who posts here.
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Re: A High Court Challenge To The Carbon Tax.
Reply #96 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:12pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:11am:
Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:22am:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:35am:
That is what you are hoping I'm sure. To me it doesn't matter if it is felt in the hip pocket or not. If it is there, it is a reminder of what a lying deceiving government labor were/are


And of course you have absolutely no partisan reason for saying this.  Tongue

I do now, since labor have been wasteful, incompetent and icing on cake, lied to me to get into power. Am I the only one who thinks/feels this way. Not on your life.



So you voted Labor based on no carbon tax?

I doubt it - in fact the promise probably cost them votes at the time.

So Labors position was to support a price on carbon Gillard promised it would not be a tax, So you are saying that you support any other price mechanism to be put on carbon emissions?

The net difference to costing carbon via a trading scheme compared to a fixed price is about zero to anybody who posts here.


And yet Labor's internal document states that Julia Gillard "has a credibility problem with the electorate"

Care to tell us why then if she was keeping her word according to you?

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Reply #97 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
And yet Labor's internal document states that Julia Gillard "has a credibility problem with the electorate"



Peoples perceptions are not always driven by fact.

In fact a big media push can have a dramatic impact in this area.

We will see what happens when it all turns out be be a fizzer and the publics perception has no option but to work out just who has been lying.
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