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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #45 - Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:00am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

[quote]deem him some hard-right

No I deem him(if anything)a poor imitation of an American Republican.
Rightly or wrongly that's how the modern Liberal party comes across.

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Abbott actually stands for something and seems willing to go for it.

What does he stand for?
Every position he now aspires to he was against a couple of years ago or are actually not good economic policy at the moment or at all in the case of non means testing.
I include the surplus in that, running a small deficit and spending into the economy is what is required, keeping just about every other aspect of the economy bar mining from going under.
Passive stimulus if you will, there but not a big part just enough to keep reasonable confidence.

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I like ABbott. He will be quite a PM. He wil make plenty of mistakes but he wil make a lot of successes as well.

Look I could put upwith PM Abbott if I had confidence in the people he surrounds himself with.
But going from what I've seen I have no confidence in any of them.
Name your names with Labor and I'll agree with most if not all, BUT when I see Combet/Shorten and lets face those 2 are the future of Labor. I see 2 guys who know their stuff, and have an intimate understanding of how the ecomony works from both sides.
They arent Union old boys in even the 70's mode, they are a product of Keatings Accord times where raises HAD to be linked with productivity.

And lets face it, the economy is all that matters, as long as people can work, have a home, feed themselves and enjoy a reasonable quality of life through effort then the rest is just white noise to the majority.

No one Tony hangs with instills the faintest ray of confidence.

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PPM is a pointless and meaningless measure as it is literally nothing more than a 'what-if' scenario and nothing more.

And yet there is a whole thread dedicated to the last one as Tony was in front.
And if I bothered to read it I'm sure I'll see posts from you using it as an affirmative.[/quote]

if you bothered to read it you woudl see that i was baiting the pathetic labor supporters who clung to Gillard's lead in the PPM stakes as tho it was more important than any other figure and then abandoned and rubbished it as soon as Abbott was in the lead. they are pathetic and skippy is their leader.

It's telling that out of that whole post, THAT is what you choose to repudiate Wink

not really. perhaps I am bored with repeating the same stuff over and over again.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #46 - Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:05am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

nairbe wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

Nice thought that but it is extremism they are desperate for. Still maintain the general public are thick, don't know what they want and would believe anything so long as it keeps their short attention span entertained. The truth is irrelevant.

Thats a totally unsubstantiated assertion, the people have zero tolerance for corruption, instability, insecurity and ideological radical extremism and they will turn on and bury any radical Government in a hearty beat, that has been clearly seen from the time of Howards disgrace till now, all parties are paralyzed by abysmal polling and contempt of the public. Leadership tensions in the liberal party would surface almost immediately Abbott shows his hand as an extremist. Believe me, I want to get rid of the entire current Government so we can get at the Abbott team at the earliest opportunity. I cant wait till we get a crack at Abbott.

Good luck, the only difference i notice between the current government and past governments is that they can not keep it in the cupboard. Corruption and nepotism are rife in politics and always have been. When ever someone even slightly honest comes along they are destroyed. Really look at this crap, most has been driven by the media who are like a dog with a bone, if they left it alone we would not even be here. Imagine if the reported on Abbotts policy compared to the governments, OH that right Abbott has no policy.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #47 - Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

nairbe wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:05am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

nairbe wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

I suppose it will be like the Liberal party is after Abbott knifed Turnbull. Roll Eyes

Rudd will still want to be PM, like Turnbull does,and Rudd will bide his time until he again challenges, like Turnbull is. Roll Eyes

This is totally different, Skippy. This is a government for Christ's sake.

I can't believe the incompetance of this lot, and more is coming out each day. I've never been a huge fan of the Labor Party (I just hope they get past the Libs), but this is bad. Very bad.

There is no way Labor can claw themselves back from this. I can see how each character views the other in this play, but the way they deliver their lines treats the entire audience like fools.

They have shot themselves in the foot again, and they will never recover from it. Tony Abbott can now do what he likes with Workchoices, border protection, corporate and middle class welfare - the lot. He doesn't have to tell the electorate anything to get in, and it will be a landslide. In government, nothing needs to hold him back but his own sense of restraint.

He will be a Liberal hero for a generation to come. And for nothing more than Labor's complete ineptitude.

Labor have shown that they stand for nothing but power for the sake of it. Yes, the 24 hour media cycle is grueling, but an old bastard like Howard could manage it. Labor have advisors, pollers, focus groups, media consultants, the lot.

And all they can do is self-combust.

I'm almost looking forward to a Turnbull government after this, but that's not what we'll get. We will be delivered Tony Abbott as prime minister, courtesy of Labor's complete self indulgence.

Thanks a lot, Rudd.

No, the next Government will not be allowed to do what it likes, it will be faced with a volatile hostile, fed up population that will turn on it within its first term the fist sign of radical extremism he shows - the people now see the politicians, parties and Government themselves as the single greatest threat to their security and they will not tolerate any bullsh!t from Abbott. Cool

Nice thought that but it is extremism they are desperate for. Still maintain the general public are thick, don't know what they want and would believe anything so long as it keeps their short attention span entertained. The truth is irrelevant.

Thats a totally unsubstantiated assertion, the people have zero tolerance for corruption, instability, insecurity and ideological radical extremism and they will turn on and bury any radical Government in a hearty beat, that has been clearly seen from the time of Howards disgrace till now, all parties are paralyzed by abysmal polling and contempt of the public. Leadership tensions in the liberal party would surface almost immediately Abbott shows his hand as an extremist. Believe me, I want to get rid of the entire current Government so we can get at the Abbott team at the earliest opportunity. I cant wait till we get a crack at Abbott.

Good luck, the only difference i notice between the current government and past governments is that they can not keep it in the cupboard. Corruption and nepotism are rife in politics and always have been. When ever someone even slightly honest comes along they are destroyed. Really look at this crap, most has been driven by the media who are like a dog with a bone, if they left it alone we would not even be here. Imagine if the reported on Abbotts policy compared to the governments, OH that right Abbott has no policy.

Nor did Labor in 2007 until the actual election
and the less said about labors 2010 election policies the betters, since most of them were broken.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: What happens on Tuesday? Reply #48 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:10pm Well now that Rudd is 'kinda' out of the way the people will discover that the problem with the Gillard govt is in fact, the entire gillard govt. Rudd was never the problem, they all were.
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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #49 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Well now that Rudd is 'kinda' out of the way the people will discover that the problem with the Gillard govt is in fact, the entire gillard govt. Rudd was never the problem, they all were.

Longweekend,
The problem is that Labor betrayed the people over work choices -
they said they would get rid of it - they didn't.
example:

The maximum redundancy payout you can get is 12 weeks pay
even if you've worked 20 years for one company.
Before workchoices you would get 2 weeks pay for every year served.
i.e. 40 weeks pay.

Howard's horrible workchoices is still with us.
Abbott will go for round 2 of workchoices so he'll make things worse for workers.

The answer is to vote GREEN to at least try to keep the bastards honest.

Longweekend -
you're a paid up Libbo & you love it when workers are exploited.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #50 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Well now that Rudd is 'kinda' out of the way the people will discover that the problem with the Gillard govt is in fact, the entire gillard govt. Rudd was never the problem, they all were.

That remains to be seen. I think the past week will probably warrant the previous 2PP trend series be terminated and a new series started. But again, we'll see.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #51 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 7:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Well now that Rudd is 'kinda' out of the way the people will discover that the problem with the Gillard govt is in fact, the entire gillard govt. Rudd was never the problem, they all were.

Longweekend,
The problem is that Labor betrayed the people over work choices -
they said they would get rid of it - they didn't.
example:

The maximum redundancy payout you can get is 12 weeks pay
even if you've worked 20 years for one company.
Before workchoices you would get 2 weeks pay for every year served.
i.e. 40 weeks pay.

Howard's horrible workchoices is still with us.
Abbott will go for round 2 of workchoices so he'll make things worse for workers.

The answer is to vote GREEN to at least try to keep the bastards honest.

Longweekend -
you're a paid up Libbo & you love it when workers are exploited.

madweekend likes to think he is a big businessman Cheesy

LOL

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #52 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

The maximum redundancy payout you can get is 12 weeks pay
even if you've worked 20 years for one company.
Before workchoices you would get 2 weeks pay for every year served.
i.e. 40 weeks pay.

.

And if like me, you had a contract with the employer you get a years salary as redundancy.

I walked away with over $130,000 net from my last role.

All because of the agreement.

See?
No workchoices anywhere mate....

Individual contracts. Gee aren't they frightening.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #53 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 8:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

The maximum redundancy payout you can get is 12 weeks pay
even if you've worked 20 years for one company.
Before workchoices you would get 2 weeks pay for every year served.
i.e. 40 weeks pay.

.

And if like me, you had a contract with the employer you get a years salary as redundancy.

I walked away with over $130,000 net from my last role.

All because of the agreement.

See?
No workchoices anywhere mate....

Individual contracts. Gee aren't they frightening.

You'd be unemployable in Germany irrespective of what contracts they could offer you Wink

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: What happens on Tuesday? Reply #55 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 9:26pm Tuesday came and went. No changes on the political front when compared to last tuesday or any Tuesday last year for that matter other than the gig of Minister of Foreign Affairs is up for grabs. Ms Gillard is still PM. Mr Rudd is still an MP Mr Abbott is still sooking about the 2010 election. Same old, same old.
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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #58 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 11:31pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

The maximum redundancy payout you can get is 12 weeks pay
even if you've worked 20 years for one company.
Before workchoices you would get 2 weeks pay for every year served.
i.e. 40 weeks pay.

.

And if like me, you had a contract with the employer you get a years salary as redundancy.

I walked away with over $130,000 net from my last role.

All because of the agreement.

See?
No workchoices anywhere mate....

Individual contracts. Gee aren't they frightening.

Andrei - you have employed a fallacy -
it's called " the small exception proves the rule "

It's the same as saying that because someone won a bet on a horse
that gambling is a good thing to do with your money.

I find it hard to believe that you have 2 university degrees.

Longweekend uses the same flawed arguments all the time.
You're both mental midgets.

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Re: What happens on Tuesday?
Reply #59 - Feb 29^th, 2012 at 6:30am

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What happens on Tuesday?

In the end the sun set as expected a few hours later the clock ticked past midnight and it was Wednesday.

What happens on Wednesday should opperate in much the same framework but differ significantly for many individuals.

For me Tuesday started at 5:10 am going to work and finished at midnight because I took my daughter and some friends to a metal concert (Driver only).

Today I am rostered off work but need to be ready for a 3am start Tomorrow am in order to relocate some critical hardware and continue on for about a 12 hour shift. Not looking fwd to it at all.

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